{"id":10510,"date":"2025-04-18T15:51:03","date_gmt":"2025-04-18T19:51:03","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/twenty-ways-to-matter-the-marginalian\/"},"modified":"2025-04-18T15:51:03","modified_gmt":"2025-04-18T19:51:03","slug":"twenty-ways-to-matter-the-marginalian","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/twenty-ways-to-matter-the-marginalian\/","title":{"rendered":"Twenty Ways to Matter \u2013 The Marginalian"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <a href=\"https:\/\/hop.clickbank.net\/?affiliate=infohatch&amp;vendor=J1R2C\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-10614 aligncenter\" src=\"http:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px.png\" alt=\"Profit Gen\" width=\"400\" height=\"217\" srcset=\"https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px.png 400w, https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px-300x163.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/a><br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p>The two great tasks of the creative life are keeping failure from breaking the spirit and keeping success from ossifying it. If you do attain success by the weft and warp of hard work and luck, it takes great courage to resist becoming a template of yourself that replicates whatever has garnered you acclaim in the past, continually lowering and lowering your willingness to take risks, narrowing and narrowing your locus of curiosity \u2014 that elemental building block of creativity.<\/p>\n<p>In 2005, while working as a designer at a branding agency, Debbie Millman \u2014 my onetime partner, now closest friend \u2014 rented a microphone and a room in an office building and sat down, excited and nervous and overprepared, to conduct her first interview. She had never interviewed anyone before. The word \u201cpodcast\u201d did not yet exist. She had to pay a commercial internet radio service to air her tiny labor of love, which she called <a href=\"https:\/\/designmattersmedia.com\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Design Matters<\/em><\/a>. <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/designmattersmedia.com\" target=\"_blank\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.themarginalian.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/designmatters_logo-scaled.jpg?resize=680%2C680&amp;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"680\" height=\"680\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-84951\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.themarginalian.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/designmatters_logo-scaled.jpg?w=2560&amp;ssl=1 2560w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.themarginalian.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/designmatters_logo-scaled.jpg?resize=320%2C320&amp;ssl=1 320w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.themarginalian.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/designmatters_logo-scaled.jpg?resize=600%2C600&amp;ssl=1 600w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.themarginalian.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/designmatters_logo-scaled.jpg?resize=240%2C240&amp;ssl=1 240w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.themarginalian.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/designmatters_logo-scaled.jpg?resize=768%2C768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.themarginalian.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/designmatters_logo-scaled.jpg?resize=1536%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.themarginalian.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/designmatters_logo-scaled.jpg?resize=2048%2C2048&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.themarginalian.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/designmatters_logo-scaled.jpg?w=1360&amp;ssl=1 1360w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 680px) 100vw, 680px\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>It began as an inquiry into how her design heroes came to be who they are. But in a living testament to Bertrand Russell\u2019s abiding insight that the key to a fulfilling life as you grow older is to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.themarginalian.org\/2018\/07\/03\/how-to-grow-old-bertrand-russell\/\">\u201cmake your interests gradually wider and more impersonal, until bit by bit the walls of the ego recede, and your life becomes increasingly merged in the universal life,\u201d<\/a> over the years the interviews rippled beyond design to draw out the inner lives of musicians and poets, philosophers and physicists, and a panoply of artists across every discipline. These conversations would widen and widen to become one great investigation of what it takes to design a creative life, a life of substance and significance that touches other lives in a meaningful way.<\/p>\n<p>To celebrate the 20th anniversary of <em>Design Matters<\/em> \u2014 the best of which is collected in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.themarginalian.org\/2022\/02\/22\/why-design-matters\/\">this excellent book<\/a> \u2014 I decided to revisit my favorite interviews from the entire archive and apply to them my <a href=\"https:\/\/almanacofbirds.org\">bird divination process<\/a>, reading over the hundreds of pages of transcripts, taking down words and phrases that called out to my imagination as particularly original or beautiful or plainly true, and rearranging them into a kind of lyric, or perhaps divination, that captures the spirit of the show and the overarching philosophy for living emanating from it. <\/p>\n<p>I used twenty voices from the twenty years \u2014 nineteen interview subjects (<a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/best-of-design-matters-suleika-jaouad\/id328074695?i=1000664354543&amp;l=es-MX\" target=\"_blank\">Suleika Jaouad<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/design-matters-with-debbie-millman\/id328074695?i=1000409613577\" target=\"_blank\">David Spergel<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/design-matters-with-debbie-millman\/id328074695?i=1000662969106\" target=\"_blank\">Rosanne Cash<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/design-matters-with-debbie-millman\/id328074695?i=1000553966167\" target=\"_blank\">Jacqueline Woodson<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/design-matters-with-debbie-millman\/id328074695?i=1000368343711\" target=\"_blank\">Alison Bechdel<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/design-matters-with-debbie-millman\/id328074695?i=1000437329897\" target=\"_blank\">Roxane Gay<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/design-matters-with-debbie-millman\/id328074695\" target=\"_blank\">Joan As Police Woman<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/design-matters-with-debbie-millman\/id328074695?i=1000613973878\" target=\"_blank\">Indigo Girls<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/design-matters-with-debbie-millman\/id328074695?i=1000566257782\" target=\"_blank\">Susan Cain<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/design-matters-with-debbie-millman\/id328074695?i=1000394185238\" target=\"_blank\">Esther Perel<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/design-matters-with-debbie-millman\/id328074695?i=1000371566441\" target=\"_blank\">Alain de Botton<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/design-matters-with-debbie-millman\/id328074695?i=1000320035454\" target=\"_blank\">Sophie Blackall<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/design-matters-with-debbie-millman\/id328074695?i=1000630674877\" target=\"_blank\">Jad Abumrad<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/design-matters-with-debbie-millman\/id328074695?i=1000546786241\" target=\"_blank\">Krista Tippett<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/design-matters-with-debbie-millman\/id328074695?i=1000683762243\" target=\"_blank\">Seth Godin<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/design-matters-with-debbie-millman\/id328074695?i=1000642478531\" target=\"_blank\">Toshi Reagon<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/design-matters-with-debbie-millman\/id328074695?i=1000378661916\" target=\"_blank\">Tim Ferriss<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/design-matters-with-debbie-millman\/id328074695?i=1000383658344\" target=\"_blank\">Elizabeth Alexander<\/a>) and Debbie herself. Each line comes from a different person, sometimes two in a single line. The final stanza, beginning with Debbie\u2019s signature \u201c<em>And remember\u2026<\/em>\u201d that closes every podcast episode, is composed entirely of her own words and phrases spoken in these nineteen interviews. <\/p>\n<p>Here is the fruit of this strange, wildly time-consuming, and utterly joyful labor:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><strong>TWENTY WAYS TO MATTER<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Excavate the truth beneath the truth beneath the truth \u2014<br \/>the deeper you go, the simpler it gets:<br \/>the longing, love, insecurity, rage, loss \u2014<br \/>all of it part of the same fabric,<br \/>all just a story<br \/>emerging from the quantum foam.<\/p>\n<p>Move through the world<br \/>knowing that everyone around you<br \/>is doing the best they can,<br \/>that humanity is capable<br \/>of the <em>Moonlight Sonata<\/em><br \/>and the concentration camp,<br \/>that you are a piece<br \/>of the same puzzle. <\/p>\n<p>If you are longing for<br \/>the world to be more perfect<br \/>do something about it:<br \/>become a kind of translator<br \/>between reality and possibility,<br \/>cast a light on a parallel world,<br \/>that little speck in the distance \u2014<br \/>it is the hope, it is the struggle, it is the reward.<\/p>\n<p>Let go of the future<br \/>but hold on to the beautiful things<br \/>that, like music, exist outside of time \u2014<br \/>the sense of wonder and love and light.<\/p>\n<p>When the chord changes on you<br \/>what if you harmonized it?<\/p>\n<p>The black hole of your devastation<br \/>is a wild strange expansive place.<br \/>We are really good at coming up<br \/>with reasons to not go there.<br \/>Go there.<br \/>You will find the seeds<br \/>that become galaxies of growth.<br \/>You will find<br \/>what the soul and the spirit and the heart<br \/>need to know.<\/p>\n<p>Be on the inside of your heart,<br \/>make a home inside yourself,<br \/>for to keep other people happy<br \/>is distraction from the real work of being<br \/>in which there is no final test<br \/>for how to be human \u2014<br \/>only the open question<br \/>of how to be yourself<br \/>which you must answer daily<br \/>with all the strength and kindness<br \/>that you\u2019ve got.<\/p>\n<p>And remember<br \/>that life is an extraordinary creative collaboration,<br \/>that if we keep shining a light<br \/>on the things that mean and matter the most<br \/>the light overcomes the darkness,<br \/>that love is the oldest light in the universe<br \/>and when you live and work and listen<br \/>with open-hearted love<br \/>everything<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0everything<br \/>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0everything<br \/>is possible<br \/>for your life.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote><\/div>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hop.clickbank.net\/?affiliate=infohatch&amp;vendor=J1R2C\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-10614 aligncenter\" src=\"http:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px.png\" alt=\"Profit Gen\" width=\"400\" height=\"217\" srcset=\"https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px.png 400w, https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px-300x163.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/a><br \/><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The two great tasks of the creative life are keeping failure from breaking the spirit and keeping success from ossifying it. 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