{"id":12620,"date":"2026-03-19T21:59:02","date_gmt":"2026-03-20T01:59:02","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/the-tim-ferriss-show-transcripts-the-random-show-couch-edition-supplements-hummingbirds-cock-rings-optimizing-mitochondria-breathing-and-balance-training-cool-grip-strength-tools-an\/"},"modified":"2026-03-19T21:59:02","modified_gmt":"2026-03-20T01:59:02","slug":"the-tim-ferriss-show-transcripts-the-random-show-couch-edition-supplements-hummingbirds-cock-rings-optimizing-mitochondria-breathing-and-balance-training-cool-grip-strength-tools-an","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/the-tim-ferriss-show-transcripts-the-random-show-couch-edition-supplements-hummingbirds-cock-rings-optimizing-mitochondria-breathing-and-balance-training-cool-grip-strength-tools-an\/","title":{"rendered":"The Tim Ferriss Show Transcripts: The Random Show, Couch Edition! \u2014 Supplements, Hummingbirds, Cock Rings, Optimizing Mitochondria, Breathing and Balance Training, Cool Grip-Strength Tools, and More (#858)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <a href=\"https:\/\/hop.clickbank.net\/?affiliate=infohatch&amp;vendor=J1R2C\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-10614 aligncenter\" src=\"http:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px.png\" alt=\"Profit Gen\" width=\"400\" height=\"217\" srcset=\"https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px.png 400w, https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px-300x163.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/a><br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p>Please enjoy this transcript of <a href=\"https:\/\/tim.blog\/2026\/03\/18\/random-show-couch-edition\/\">another wide-ranging Random Show episode<\/a>, recorded with my close friend\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.kevinrose.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Kevin Rose<\/strong><\/a>! We cover our recent Zen meditation retreat with <a href=\"https:\/\/tim.blog\/2021\/12\/29\/zen-master-henry-shukman\/\">Henry Shukman<\/a> at <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.mountaincloud.org\/\">Mountain Cloud Zen Center<\/a> in Santa Fe, the fascinating science of <a href=\"https:\/\/tim.blog\/2025\/08\/27\/kevin-tracey-vagus-nerve\/\">vagus nerve stimulation<\/a>, my recent back pain breakthrough, balance-training tools, <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=73D61P8RnQE\">tendon-strengthening protocols<\/a> from Swedish rock climber Emil Abrahamsson, the emerging research on photobiomodulation, urolithin A supplementation, blood-flow-restriction training, the Norwegian 4\u00d74 protocol for cognitive longevity, podcast recommendations, vintage Japanese finds on Etsy, Kevin\u2019s hummingbird feeder obsession, and much more.<\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.kevinrose.com\/about\">Kevin\u2019s full bio<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/tim.blog\/2026\/03\/18\/random-show-couch-edition\/#:~:text=SELECTED%20LINKS%20FROM%20THE%20EPISODE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Books, people, tools, and resources mentioned in the interview<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/tim.blog\/2026\/03\/18\/random-show-couch-edition-transcript\/#Random-Show-Couch-Edition-legal-conditions-transcript\">Legal conditions\/copyright information<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"podcast-player\">\n<div class=\"podcast-player-inner-wrap\">\n<p>The Random Show, Couch Edition! \u2014 Supplements, Hummingbirds, Cock Rings, Optimizing Mitochondria, Breathing and Balance Training, Cool Grip Strength Tools, and More<\/p>\n<p><noscript><iframe src=\"https:\/\/www.art19.com\/shows\/58dacbdc-646e-4585-9914-19c3de11d1ba\/episodes\/b0a6c457-d328-46e4-81a7-7ea6ddb4ba98\/embed?type=micro\" style=\"width: 100%; height: 30px; border: 0 none;\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/noscript><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Additional podcast platforms<\/h3>\n<p><strong>Listen to this episode on\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/858-the-random-show-couch-edition-supplements\/id863897795?i=1000756015017\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Apple Podcasts<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/6QGgCBN8c26l2JmQuEMg3C?si=NZFv3G2KS8ye-bduqRuAaw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Spotify<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/overcast.fm\/+AAKebt6T7Ko\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Overcast<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/podcastaddict.com\/podcast\/2031148#\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Podcast Addict<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/pca.st\/timferriss\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Pocket Casts<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/castbox.fm\/channel\/id1059468?country=us\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Castbox<\/a>,\u00a0<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/music.youtube.com\/playlist?list=PLuu6fDad2eJyWPm9dQfuorm2uuYHBZDCB\">YouTube Music<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/music.amazon.com\/podcasts\/9814f3cc-1dc5-4003-b816-44a8eb6bf666\/the-tim-ferriss-show\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Amazon Music<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.audible.com\/podcast\/The-Tim-Ferriss-Show\/B08K58QX5W\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Audible<\/a>, or on your favorite podcast platform.<\/strong><\/p>\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n<p>Transcripts may contain a few typos. With many episodes lasting 2+ hours, it can be difficult to catch minor errors. Enjoy!<\/p>\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Okay, ready?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Oh, wait, wait. So we\u2019re rolling?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, we\u2019re rolling.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Okay.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Three, two, one.<\/p>\n<p>[CHIME]<\/p>\n<p>It feels, actually, really good.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I feel like my bowl is a little smaller than yours.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>That\u2019s always been the case.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>You want to kick it off?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Hello, friends and family, colleagues. That was amazing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Very prominent ejaculation projection show.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Welcome to The Random Show.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Welcome, folks, to another episode of The Random Show.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Couch audition edition.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. ADU back-of-my-place edition.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Why do we have these fancy bowls?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>So this is \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>For people not looking, these are meditation bowls.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Got a bunch of script. Presumably that\u2019s Tibetan or Sanskrit or something.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>And you have a little corner, but that\u2019s not the bad corner. That\u2019s the Zen corner.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, this is Zen corner. Would you say bad corner?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah, you don\u2019t need to put kids in the bad corner.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Did you used to have to do that as a kid?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>In school, I got sent to the bad table all the time.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Oh, there was a table.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Oh, yeah. And then the teacher in kindergarten sent me to the bad table with a bunch of other kids who were really bad, and then forgot that she had decided it was the bad table and just left us at the bad table for the entire year.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose:<\/strong> And so she \u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>It might explain a lot of psychological issues \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, exactly.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>\u2014 that I\u2019ve carried with me.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. So this is not the bad table. This is the meditation area. And I have bowls over here that I just use. I just like the sound of a good \u2014 I mean, you heard that. Hopefully, it came through and didn\u2019t distort the mic, but a well-rung bowl \u2014 it sets the tone for the beginning of the meditation and then also at the very end.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>It\u2019s also just perfect for a podcast in Southern California.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, exactly.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Nice to be in person.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>It plays well in the whole, yes, SoCal environment. There\u2019s bowls per capita out here and crystal shops are very high.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>High density. High density, man.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Another beautiful day in SoCal.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Beautiful day.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Been doing a lot of walking. Where should we start off with? We\u2019ve got tons.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>We just came back from our retreat.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>We did. We did. You want to describe the format?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. So we\u2019ve done a couple of these retreats. This is the second one where it\u2019s just a small group of people that are interested in meditation and that want to go a little bit deeper in the world of Zen. You and I both talked about The Way and Henry Shukman a ton. The Way being his app. And Henry\u2019s just a great leader, great Zen master. And it was accompanied by Valerie, another Zen master.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>This is in Mountain Cloud.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Mountain Cloud Zen Center.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Santa Fe, New Mexico.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. So we flew out there, small group, got together. And it\u2019s kind of like if a proper Zen retreat is like 5:30 cushion in the morning and then you\u2019re off at 7:00 p.m. and it\u2019s hardcore, like no talking, shitty food. This was not that. We had a good chef that was there and we were allowed to ask questions in between sits. The sits were purposely time bound to call it maximum of 25 minutes and then a walking meditation, then another 25 minutes that was like the max.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah. Let me interject just so we don\u2019t get into hyper bougie territory too fast. So the chef was not our chef. He\u2019s actually, as I remember, this is a former, I think, James Beard award winner who decided to forego the accolades and the attention.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>How is that less bougie than what I was going to say?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Well, you said we had a nice chef and people might assume that we\u2019re bringing in a chef. This is a chef who actually \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>He lives there locally.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I know, that\u2019s the point I\u2019m making. He lives at the Zen Center and has chosen a life of simplicity working with local ingredients and so on. And he is also normally there. It\u2019s not like we had our own dedicated \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>\u2014 chef.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. That\u2019s one of the things.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>That\u2019s not in my house. I ate venison jerky sticks most of the time. Lentils out of a can still stick.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>And you chugged my freaking ketones about five minutes ago. Tim just goes to my fridge and he\u2019s like, \u201cOkay, what are you up to?\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I want to see what Kevin\u2019s up to. I want to see the evidence.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Okay, we\u2019ve got a little something gluten here. We got some Repatha.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>A little Repatha, what else do you have?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>He\u2019s like, \u201cOh, ketones.\u201d And he starts chucking my ketone esters.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Well, I unwrapped it and I was like, \u201cI probably should ask if I can drink this, but I\u2019m guessing this has been in there for weeks.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Dude, that stuff that you drank is like \u2014 so they make several versions of that. That\u2019s like the full on \u2014 F16 isn\u2019t the latest fighter jet. Whatever the Gen 5 fighter jet is, F22.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>It\u2019s the highest intensity. This is the deltaG brand ketone monoester, which is BHB, which is kind of what you want, bound with something called 1,3-butanediol, which I will say if you see that on the ingredient list of your supplement for exogenous ketones, treat it like a shot of tequila. You really want to use it in moderation. There\u2019s mounting evidence that it\u2019s pretty unhealthy for your liver. So just use in moderation in terms of ketone supplementation. But hey, right before a podcast \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>By the way, I\u2019m \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>\u2014 it\u2019s a great time for me to take like 15 grams. I will not do 30 because, and I talked to you, she\u2019ll probably come up again, our mutual friend, Dr. Rhonda Patrick about this. I don\u2019t think I\u2019m talking out of school here, but when you take, when I take, and this is true for her as well, and I suspect other people, the full 30, the entire shot, rather than decreasing anxiety, it actually, for me, spikes it. And I think that could be related to a very rapid rise and then trough afterwards. But who knows? The point is, keep it moderate.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>You\u2019re the first person to tell me that it impacts liver function. And I have more often than not had elevated liver enzymes, surprise surprise on the whole drinking front typically, but it\u2019s something I watch. And when did you hear about that? Because I\u2019d never heard that could be the case with ketones.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah. I, fortunately, by virtue of doing the podcast and also being incredibly interested in science, interact with a lot of researchers, so I get to have chats with them once I get to know them better about pre-publication data. Studies that are underway, and they never want to talk about them publicly because you have to check all the boxes, and science is also very much about not fooling yourself when you make a certain hypothesis. But the first whispers of this were from, and still are, from animal models, where you can basically dose mice with 1,3-butanediol and give them the equivalent of fatty liver disease.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Oh, wow.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>It\u2019s not good. And I\u2019m sure I\u2019m oversimplifying that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Holy shit.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>The point is treat it like ethanol. Treat it like not even tequila, moonshine, like you\u2019re drinking moonshine and you wouldn\u2019t want to do that every day.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>It tastes like moonshine.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Or cough syrup. Cough syrup moonshine.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah. So that is just to say, I think they still think there\u2019s a time and a place for it. I\u2019ve been experimenting with other versions like ketone salts, Dominic D\u2019Agostino. He\u2019s also the co-author in some of the papers that are describing this.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>He tried bath salts for a while too. That was a very odd version of Tim that came out.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>If it\u2019s good for McAfee.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Just eating the flesh off of us.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah. Eating people and eating \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Wasn\u2019t that a thing that happens?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>\u2014 in the median in Florida. It\u2019s always a Florida man.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>So Florida man, duh-duh-duh. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Eats another person. Yeah, exactly.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Shooting someone\u2019s face off after bath salts. Stay away from bath salts, kids. So yeah, I came in nice and fully loaded today.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. Awesome. Well, I am glad that you\u2019re feeling better because you also might not have made today.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah, that\u2019s a sidebar. I may have had a glancing blow of eggplant to which I\u2019m deathly allergic and woke up in the middle of the night, incredibly sick last night. So I\u2019m glad I\u2019m here.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>And I brought my EpiPen for dinner later.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Amazing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Learned my lesson. Bring your backup.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. So the retreat, let\u2019s finish that off real quick.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>So we got together. What did you learn this time around? Because we\u2019ve done this twice. You\u2019ve dabbled in the world of Zen. You\u2019ve always said, correct me if I\u2019m wrong, but meditation\u2019s been a hard thing for you typically. Where are you now with your practice?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Well, what I would say is, first thing, speaking as a very much still a novice on any level, I would say that meditation is like sports or exercise. \u201cDo you like exercise?\u201d Well, what kind of exercise? Meditation, there\u2019s so many different ways to meditate or explore mindfulness. There\u2019s the Vipassana approach. There\u2019s Transcendental Meditation. There\u2019s Zen, which is very much its own thing, and you know more about that than I do.<\/p>\n<p>But what I do find helpful about the retreats is you can describe what is going on when you\u2019re sitting still with your eyes closed, trying to focus on something, in the case of, say, the breath, or trying to just observe whatever that comes up. And the feedback that you get from someone like Henry or Valerie, where you can do a 25-minute sit and then take a short break, talk about it, and they can say, \u201cWell, given that you experienced this, this, maybe you had restlessness. Maybe you had, in my case, this sort of planning compulsion.\u201d So rather than memories or fantasies about who knows what, not necessarily people can run wild with that, but I default to plans, like things I need to do.<\/p>\n<p>And it\u2019s like, okay, well, if that\u2019s coming up, then Henry might say, \u201cWhy don\u2019t you try in the next sit, which we\u2019re going to do in 10 minutes or five minutes, A, B, or C?\u201d And then you do it and you provide feedback. And so you\u2019re able to really polish the stone moving forward. And similar, I suppose, to a lot of what we might call transcendental experiences, which sounds fancy, but it\u2019s really just perhaps not fixating on the self or interrogating what this thing is that we call the self, which you can do through meditation. You can also do it with, or maybe you\u2019re forced to do it in some cases with psychedelic experiences or other things, breath work.<\/p>\n<p>When I was there at the retreat, you might remember this, I was getting very frustrated and I was like, \u201cWhere\u2019s all this frustration coming from?\u201d And while I was there, I was like, \u201cI don\u2019t know how much I\u2019m getting out of this right now.\u201d But when I got back to \u201creal life\u201d in Austin, I had like three to five days of this just kind of blissful, calm attention where I was able to get everything done. I need to get it done. There was no rushing, there was no looping in any kind of future tripping. And I was like, \u201cWell, that\u2019s very interesting.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And it also holds true for, say, breath work, psychedelics. There are many different things that you could look at. And interestingly, maybe this is one way to think of it. I mean, in a sense, there are a lot of parallels between different methods for entering what people might consider a trance state. And I don\u2019t think meditation is exempt from that, depending on what it is. But if it\u2019s a concentration practice, it\u2019s like for sure, you\u2019re using a mantra or you\u2019re using something you\u2019re repeating in the case of TM in the same way that you might use rhythmic drumming and you can go some pretty weird places and then you come out of it, you\u2019re like, \u201cI don\u2019t know what to make of that. \u201c<\/p>\n<p>And sometimes the payoff is what you notice in the next unfolding week or two or three or whatever the duration might be.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>So that was very invigorating for me. And also Henry at one point used a prompt in response to, I\u2019ll give a great \u2014 this is a real world example of something that happened to me, something I experienced in a sit and then Henry\u2019s response, right? So I use The Way all the time, full disclosure, we\u2019re both involved with it. I mean, it\u2019s really because \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Henry\u2019s amazing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>\u2014 more than anything else, it\u2019s just I think it\u2019s good for humanity and people to learn from somebody who is really deliberate about layering on progressive skills that you can take outside of the meditation. But one of the practices is labeling. So if, and there are a million different ways to do this, but let\u2019s just say talk comes up in the mind and you label it radio or talking. And then if some kind of video comes up in the mind, images, you\u2019re imagining something or planning something or remembering something, \u201cokay, that\u2019s video\u201d and so on and so forth.<\/p>\n<p>But for me, as someone with very well-established OCD, I can just end up being like, radio, radio, radio, video, radio, radio, radio. And it turns into, instead of a helpful thing, a very interruptive, stressful thing. And at that point in the retreat, clear \u2014 it was three to four days, something like that. It was very short. Henry said, \u201cOkay,\u201d well, he moved into the next sit and he said, \u201cJust be still. Just be still. That\u2019s it. That is the focus. Just sit still.\u201d Did that for two consecutive sits. I just focused on that and it was remarkable how much everything calmed down. I was like, \u201cOkay.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Well, just like exercise, some people, sure, can go to the gym and do full sprinting workouts on an incline treadmill. Not everybody can do that. And other folks are well-suited to yoga. Some people are well-suited to different types of lifting, et cetera. And everybody should probably spend a little bit of time in each of those compartments if they can, but it\u2019s not like everyone is equally suited, for instance, in my case, to the open monitoring stuff, like, well, just sit there and notice all the things that come up.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>So I came out of the retreat thinking, you know what? Something along the lines of Transcendental Meditation, not necessarily with that branding, but using a koan, using \u201cJust be still\u201d as a concentration practice that I repeat really gives me a lot of payoff. If I just sit still for 10 to 20 minutes, twice a day \u2014 did I tell you my theory on this?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>No.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>So one of my theories, because I\u2019ve been going super deep on bioelectric medicine and different ways of using electricity in place of pills, basically, and medications, which I think is really the next frontier in a million different ways. People check out Michael Levin at Tufts and some of the crazy stuff he\u2019s able to do. But related to meditation, I did this deep dive with someone named Kevin Tracey, who\u2019s a very credible scientist, very widely cited, helped discover and explore a lot related to TNF alpha and all sorts of things.<\/p>\n<p>And he is incredibly knowledgeable of vagus nerve stimulation, not the bogus bullshit kind, which is 99.9 percent of what you see on the internet, but using, say, implants the size of an omega-3 capsule in the neck, which is where the vagus nerves run. It\u2019s really like two transcontinental cables running down either side of the neck. Each one has about 100,000 fibers. And if you put an implant in that\u2019s giving continuous stimulation on and off, on and off, it\u2019s not 24\/7, it\u2019s incredibly effective for things like rheumatoid arthritis. And actually it was FDA approved. It was on the cover of <em>The New York Times<\/em> \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Holy shit.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>\u2014 the day that I interviewed him. And that raises the question, how? Why? What\u2019s going on? And it just so happens when you stimulate the vagus nerve, you activate something called the inflammatory reflex and you can in effect prevent damaging cytokine storms, decrease systemic inflammation of all different types. That word inflammation is kind of an umbrella term for a million different things.<\/p>\n<p>And I remember chatting with one of my friends who\u2019s a professor, he was using the 10% Happier app by Dan Harris, and he was meditating twice a day. And then after like one or two weeks, he\u2019s like all of his aches, which were debilitating. He had a lot of musculoskeletal issues. They just went away. And one way people might try to explain that as like, \u201cWell, you\u2019re becoming more present to your feelings and maybe it was psychosomatic.\u201d But I think it might actually be when you sit still and you inherently end up breathing rhythmically, because you can also stimulate your vagus nerve with say box breathing and other things, that you do that twice a day. If you were to use an implant or let\u2019s just say either ear-based or neck-based stimulation of the vagus nerve, guess how long it lasts? Roughly 12 hours. So you do it twice a day, you\u2019re getting full coverage.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Oh, interesting.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>And so if you\u2019re getting full coverage, and there\u2019s a lot more to it, I won\u2019t dig too deep right now. If you\u2019re getting twice a day, vagus nerve stimulation from sitting and focusing on breathing, even if you don\u2019t realize that you\u2019re entraining your breathing, I think that might have explanatory power for some of the benefits people see from meditation.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>That\u2019s fascinating. So I bought one of the vagus nerve stimulators that hooks onto my ear. Have you seen that one? And you feel that this little tiny pulse of current that\u2019s happening.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah. So people who are not watching this may have trouble envisioning this, but I\u2019m actually in communication with a couple of scientists in Scandinavia. I don\u2019t want to dox this guy because I don\u2019t think he\u2019s public with it yet, but there are two ways currently, non-invasively, to stimulate the vagus nerve that are commonly known. One is the neck where you really press\u00a0 some type of device. There are a number of them out there, mostly used for migraines or cluster headaches, and it\u2019s pretty unpleasant. You stimulate the neck and it actuates superficial muscles in your face and it pulls your face down. And I used one of those for probably four to six weeks. Didn\u2019t see any systemic benefits.<\/p>\n<p>A friend of mine doubled his HRV using one of those devices. He had some, I\u2019m not going to call it PTSD, but he had some overactive sympathetic drive and the vagus nerve stimulation is associated with the rest and digest parasympathetic.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Okay.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Which is also why right now I stimulate it before bed, five minutes twice a day.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I know you do.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>For the ear \u2014 Jesus Christ.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>No, I\u2019m talking about the device.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>For the ear, there\u2019s something called the cymba concha. I think I\u2019m pronouncing that correctly.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>And people can see most of the research \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>This little bit right here?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Most right here.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Okay.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>And you can look this up online. You kind of want the portion of the cymba concha that is closer to your sideburns, let\u2019s say.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Okay.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>And then you need another piece that is grounding and\/or completing the circuit, and that\u2019s got to be touching your skin. The contact point is incredibly important.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Are there any of these that you like that are consumer available? Because a lot of this stuff you mentioned \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>You can DIY it with components off of Amazon and maybe I\u2019ll make that available to folks. The reason I hesitate to do that is that it\u2019s easy to get wrong and you can \u2014 I just don\u2019t want to be responsible for people trying to put current through their heads. There are a lot of people who DIY trying to do TMS and stuff.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, this is the one I \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Or TDCS and they reverse polarity. And you can fry your brain, not with the vagus nerve stuff necessarily, but you got to be really careful with stimulation.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Have you ever heard of this one, Nuropod?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Uh-uh. I haven\u2019t seen it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I mean, it\u2019s basically, if you look at who\u2019s involved on the scientist level, it\u2019s crazy. The number of \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>N-U-R-O-P-O-D. Let me see the world\u2019s-most studied wearable vagus nerve stimulation.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>A hundred plus international, UCLA did a study there, Penn \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Okay. That\u2019s interesting. I\u2019d have to check it out.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>It\u2019s interesting, but I will say, just to be honest with people \u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Have you noticed anything?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I\u2019ve owned this thing for about a year and a half. I did it for about two weeks for 30 minutes a day and I didn\u2019t notice anything.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah. I\u2019m looking at \u2014 it\u2019s hard for me to see the placement on the earpiece. The placement is very, very, very specific.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>It clips right here to this lobe right here.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Oh, yeah. I don\u2019t think that\u2019s in the right place.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>But you feel a little ticky, ticky, tick, like shock, almost.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah. I don\u2019t think you\u2019re \u2014 look, this is my first time seeing it, but I don\u2019t think you\u2019re going to be necessarily hitting as many fibers as you would want if that\u2019s the placement.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>But who knows? Look, a lot of fancy names on the website, maybe I\u2019ll take a look at it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, it\u2019s worth it. You can borrow mine, dude.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Because I want something I can recommend to people.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, exactly. I can\u2019t recommend this because it\u2019s not done anything for me. But when I was doing the research for the most \u2014 this one, they\u2019ve clearly paid for studies to be done. Obviously, that\u2019s a huge grain of salt because who\u2019s doing the studies and what are their biases and whatnot. But I\u2019ll let you borrow mine and see if it does anything for you. It is a $900 device, which is like, \u201cShit. That\u2019s a lot of money to spend.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah. I\u2019m using a prototype of one from Scandinavia right now. On Amazon, look, I\u2019m sure people can find some instructions for this. You can DIY something for like 20 to $25 worth of components on Amazon. It is not hard.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>That\u2019s amazing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>It\u2019s just a small tense unit.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Dude, let\u2019s do that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Cables, the placement is very challenging to get right. And I did not see much in terms of results from me, even with a lot of professional guidance using that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I want to tell you about something related.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>But can I stop for a second?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, please.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Try breathing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Do box breathing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>So that\u2019s what this is?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Or something like that. Do that twice a day.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Okay.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>This is why also in <em>The Great Nerve<\/em>, which is a book written by Kevin Tracey, it\u2019s a great book. There\u2019s an extended chapter about Wim Hof. And Wim Hof is a very controversial figure, but well-known for breath work. And you see some of the same effects in terms of controlling immune response so that it is not excessive with respect to various types of cytokines and so on. You can do it with breath work. So what are we looking at?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Have you ever heard of HeartMath?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I have heard of HeartMath. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Okay. I went to a little mini retreat where they were doing a bunch of different modalities in terms of different therapies and things to just really let you be the best version of yourself. And one of the things that they did was they gave you a HeartMath device and they had a whole class on it. And I was like, \u201cYeah, I heard of that thing before. I never tried it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And so I hooked it up to my ear and it measures your HRV, but what blew my mind was that the app, once you launch it, it\u2019s like, \u201cFollow this box breathing and we\u2019re going to watch\u2026\u201d You get to watch your HRV in real time. And dude, when I followed it, just as it was telling me what to do, the HRV just shut up. And then I would try and trick it and I\u2019d be like, I\u2019d follow up, but I\u2019d think of something really stressful and my HRV would go down.<\/p>\n<p>So I\u2019m telling you, this is the coolest device I have owned in a while and you lock into this coherence mode as you do this breathing and it\u2019s pretty awesome. It\u2019s 250 bucks. I\u2019m not an investor or anything, but heartmath.com.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Heartmath.com. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>And 60-day money back guarantee. Well, I want to say that because I hate recommending stuff.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Affiliate code Kevin 40 percent.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Exactly. TimTim, 20 percent off. I hate recommending stuff when people spend their money, but I will say this with the one thing that I was really-<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I\u2019ve heard good things about HeartMath. I don\u2019t know who\u2019s involved. I did, maybe you didn\u2019t know this, for a period of time, maybe it was about three months I did training for this specifically, I think it was before any retail options were available, with a doctor named Leah Lagos, who has a book about this. And we actually in real time would do a video call and identify what type of breathing specifically would have, in real time, the biggest impact on HRV.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Oh, that\u2019s cool.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>And there is something to this. There\u2019s definitely something to this. I can\u2019t speak to HeartMath, but I\u2019ve heard of it before. So don\u2019t worry about the device for stimulation, the point being try meditating twice a day for 10 to 20 minutes. And if you\u2019re like, \u201cUgh, meditating, God, I\u2019m allergic to that word because it gets used so much,\u201d Try breathing. Use HeartMath or something else. There\u2019s not a whole lot you need to worry about. Andy Weil has some very good breathing exercises.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, 4-7-8. Yeah. So I have box breathing and 4-7-8 on my app Oak that\u2019s still in the App Store and it\u2019s 100 percent free. There\u2019s no way you have to pay for anything on the app. So if you just Google Oak, you can find it. And it has like six different breathing techniques on there you can do.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I think here\u2019s a hypothesis-slash-bet. I think that if it hasn\u2019t been demonstrated already, I haven\u2019t done a full lit search for this, I think there are breathing patterns, if you repeat them in the morning and at night, twice a day, roughly 12 hours apart for like 10 to 20 minutes, that you will see a lot of benefits for things like chronic pain.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I think it is \u2014 I really feel very confidently. So it\u2019s exciting.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. Sweet.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know what else you\u2019ve got.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose <\/strong>I\u2019ve got crazy things. I mean, I just had my birthday a few weeks ago, which is crazy because I\u2019m marching towards 50 really quick.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I know.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>And so are you.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Getting dragged through the \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I know.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>\u2014 doorway. With your fingernails leaving lines on the linoleum.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>It\u2019s really scary. Well, what\u2019s crazy is, dude \u2014 okay, so when Tim and I first started hanging out, whatever, 15 years ago, 17 years ago, maybe 20, I don\u2019t even know how long it\u2019s been.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>It must be close to 20 years ago.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Close to 20 years ago, every time you walk into Tim\u2019s house, he tackles you with some kind of new jiu-jitsu move to take you down. And in the last three years, he\u2019s been carrying a ball for his lower back where he\u2019s like, \u201cI can\u2019t move.\u201d And it\u2019s like old man Tim has appeared and that old Tim that would tackle you with the jiu-jitsu move is gone.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>The gentle art, not so gentle it turns out.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>But I know one of the things that I want to really focus on for this next decade is balance. Balance obviously is such a key thing and it\u2019s the number one way that people as they get older in their 60s, 70s, and beyond are actually permanently injured is by falling and breaking a hip and things like that. So two things to show off.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Incredible increase in risk, all-cause mortality if you\u2019re older and you break a hip.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yes. It turns out breaking hips are not good. So check this out. This one right here I\u2019ve had for a while.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Don\u2019t fall on your ringing bowl.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>So can you imagine? I smashed my face on the ringing bowl. So I\u2019m going to show you how this works.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Oh, geez.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Have you used this before?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I have. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>And so are you good at these or no?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Oh, God, I feel like a parent watching after you.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Move this. All right, how well can you do the balance boards?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I haven\u2019t done it in a long time. There\u2019s one called the Indo Board, which I have and I\u2019ve fucked around with it. I don\u2019t think today is the day.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Well, so let\u2019s check this out. So five minutes a day, there was some research that was done around people with ADHD and it dramatically improved their symptoms, which I have a ton of.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah, you can\u2019t really \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>But I want to know if you can do this. I want to see if you can do these squats.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>You have to pay attention if you\u2019re on this thing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Could you do these?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know. Never tried it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>And then the tippy-toes. So I do 50 squats like this.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I should also point out he has some history as a skateboarder.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I do.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah, which helps.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Let\u2019s see, let\u2019s see, Tim \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know if I\u2019m going to \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>You\u2019ll be okay. I\u2019ll hold your hand when you go up. Come on, just give it a shot for a second.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I\u2019ll give you some Depends. I\u2019ll give you some Depends and give you a walker so you can get up there.<\/p>\n<p>Fuck, man.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Okay. So one foot there.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yep. I got it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Jesus. Okay.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Oh, fuck. Hold on.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>There you go. It\u2019s got blockers, so you won\u2019t slide off the end.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah, yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Lean hard right, harder on the right foot.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah, it\u2019s like \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>It\u2019s hard, isn\u2019t it?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Well, I\u2019m nervous about falling over.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>There you go.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>There we go.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Now the squats.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>This is kind of like slackboarding where you need a couple of days to get your nervous system in order.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. Isn\u2019t it amazing how your nervous system adapts to it?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>It\u2019s really \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>There\u2019s a crazy video people should check out. I think maybe it\u2019s not online. There\u2019s a guy named Jerzy Gregorek, had on the podcast, he\u2019s got to be 70 something right now, but he was 67. He could stand on one of these at 67 with a fully loaded barbell with like 150, 200 pounds. He weighs probably 130 and he could do a perfect form Olympic snatch \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Oh, my God.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>\u2014 landing with ass to heels and then stand back up and do repetitions.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>So dude, when I was just in Japan last week \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>All right, there we go. That\u2019s enough.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>When I was just in Japan last week, I was out there and I was at this event. Whoops. I was at this friend\u2019s birthday party that Tony Hawk\u2019s also friends with. So I was hanging with Tony and he\u2019s like \u2014 last time I saw Tony, I was like, \u201cDude, how you doing?\u201d Because \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Tony Hawk, one of the most legendary skateboarders of all time, for people who don\u2019t know.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>People definitely know who Tony Hawk is, but yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>You might be surprised.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I mean, a lot of people definitely know.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>A lot of people know who Tony Hawk is.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>So Tony \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>For the youngsters.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Last time I saw him, he had a cane and I was like, this was probably like eight months ago or whatever. And I was like, \u201cDude, how you doing?\u201d And he\u2019s like, \u201cI just got a couple screws put into my hip.\u201d And he had this injury and I was like, \u201cHoly shit, man.\u201d In my head, I\u2019m like, \u201cOh, the fucking legend.\u201d Pushing himself in his 50s to do \u2014 he\u2019s still doing whatever, 720s on the half pipe in his mid 50s. Fucking crazy.<\/p>\n<p>And I saw him up at Hokkaido and we\u2019re going snowboarding, he\u2019s like, \u201cYeah, I\u2019m going boarding today.\u201d He has no cane, no nothing. And I\u2019m like, \u201cDo you have pain? Do you have pain? Do you feel pain? What are you doing in your mid 50s doing vert snowboarding?\u201d You know what I mean? And he\u2019s just like, \u201cYeah, my wife jokes that I should have a shirt that says \u2018Always in pain\u2019 or something like that.\u201d And I was just like, that is a \u2014 some people are built like that though. Have you ever seen his shins?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I\u2019m sure he looks like a Thai kickboxer.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, exactly. He has been hit so many times by the board, it\u2019s insane.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>You and your birthday, when I was at your birthday in New York probably about, I don\u2019t know, maybe seven, 10 years ago, you had a slackline in your backyard.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>And I couldn\u2019t do it at all at not even one step because it is very much a nervous system practice.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>It\u2019s a nervous system practice.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>So I found this online. It\u2019s like a little home one. Do you have one like this?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>That\u2019s cool. I have played around with these. These are pretty sweet. So I have not used the smaller ones. I had one between trees, same company, Gibbon. And just for people who\u2019ve never played with this, if you\u2019re going to try it, don\u2019t do an hour thinking that you\u2019re going to figure it out in one day. Actually, my belief is you need sleep cycles for your nervous system to try to integrate it. So you\u2019re better off doing a few minutes every day and gradually you\u2019ll figure it out. But that\u2019s cool. Very portable. So obviously a lot easier to set up and take down a gigantic thing between two trees with ratchets and everything.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, exactly. I just wanted to get one because again, on the balance front, they\u2019ll have a little QR code there at the end that you scan and they give you about 20 or 30 different exercises that you can do with it. Like the toe taps where one foot is on and you need to tap of toe on each side of the bar.<\/p>\n<p>And you\u2019re right. And there\u2019s this weird thing and I noticed this in my kids where they got those little hoverboards for Christmas so they can just kind of zoom around and they\u2019re seven and eight. And day one, like eating shit, helmets, full gear. And day two, my youngest is just like whoosh-shoom, just flying over the place.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Totally figured it out.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>But it took a couple of days of that kind of adaption and that muscle memory to kind of kick in, which I think all these things do. But yeah, this has been awesome.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah. And for people who might want to try slacklining, don\u2019t get on a slackline really far off the ground, number one, but a lot of rock climbing gyms have slacklines set up. So you can potentially get someone to show you the basic ropes, pun intended, of walking on a slackline over there. And it\u2019s called Gibbon. Pretty sure this is why it\u2019s called Gibbon because if you see really good slackliners, they do this with their arms as they\u2019re walking across. And what does that look like? It looks like a gibbon, this monkey.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>And you can see footage of Gibbons walking across rope on small suspension bridges. Pretty fascinating stuff. So try it out.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Awesome.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>And I\u2019ll throw something out there.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, let\u2019s do it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Because it\u2019s related to rock climbing. Well, a couple of things, since you brought it up. So for the last two days, we\u2019ve been hanging out a little bit and you have not seen my little blow up Pilates ball that I usually put behind my low back.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Well, I just mentioned it a few minutes ago. I do see it. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah, but you haven\u2019t seen it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I know. So what\u2019s going on?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Well, it seems like, and this is not going to apply to most people, and this is a work in progress, so it\u2019s not definitive, but I ended up meeting with a neurologist and surgeon in Austin.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>And you\u2019ve injected baby seal stem cells into your spine.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>No, no.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>It\u2019s going to be some shit like that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>No. It might apply to a very, very small fraction of the people who are actually listening to this. He did imaging. He used to be in a clinic where they ran trials and studies related to something called Bertolotti\u2019s Syndrome. And Bertolloti\u2019s Syndrome is incredibly uncommon, most specialists in his profession might see one or two cases in their entire careers, but he\u2019s seen hundreds. And he looked at my imaging and he said, \u201cYou may actually have Bertolotti\u2019s Syndrome.\u201d And he pointed out, they had very advanced imaging, the first time it came up, it corresponds perfectly to where I point to when people ask me where I have pain.<\/p>\n<p>And it\u2019s, in effect, where you have a transitional segment. So it\u2019s like a lumbar vertebra that\u2019s behaving like a sacral vertebra or vice versa. And let\u2019s just say it\u2019s L5 and the transverse processes, I think it\u2019s transverse processes on both, try to form a pseudo joint. So they basically lay on bone and other material to try to create what is then called a pseudo joint. And if you look at textbook cases of Bertolotti\u2019s, you\u2019re like, \u201cYeah, of course that\u2019s going to hurt your lower back.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And as a way of testing the hypothesis, he said, \u201cWell, before we even consider any interventions, let\u2019s try to hone in on whether that is accurate or not as a diagnosis. The way we\u2019ll do that is there are some nerves that affect that area specifically, there\u2019s no radiating effect or anything down the leg, let\u2019s put in effectively a nerve block and then see what happens. We\u2019ll put in a nerve block\u2026\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>What is a nerve block?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Basically stops the area from transmitting pain signals.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>But what does it mean though when you put in a nerve block?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Well, you lay down, in my case, on your face. I hate when anyone is messing with my spine, man. I\u2019ve had so many things done to me and I\u2019m usually cool as a cucumber, but when needles are in or around my spine, I really get the fear sweats. I don\u2019t like it at all. But in this case, that was required. So you get a \u2014 in this case, it was, I think it was lidocaine, small amount of lidocaine to numb the surface.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Oh, shit.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Then they\u2019re going through quite a bit of deep musculature. So they go in and then they\u2019re putting, in this case, and obviously you need specialists for this \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>It was a baby seal.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Prilocaine, baby seal semen. No, it was Prilocaine and something called Kenalog. But none of those specifics are the punchline. The punchline is, after he did the injection, he said, \u201cOkay, this particular portion of the cocktail is going to last 18 hours, and then you\u2019re going to get probably two weeks of effect from the Kenalog, something like that, which is a cortisone shot basically.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And he said, \u201cI want you to do all of the things that you think will most piss off your back. All the things you\u2019ve been avoiding,\u201d which for me are sitting on hard surfaces, sitting with a slightly flexed back, like if you\u2019re sitting on a bar stool and you\u2019re kind of like this, any of those, stretching in that position, sitting on the floor with the dogs, certainly things like heavy deadlifts, squats. So I did all of that stuff for three days straight, zero pain.<\/p>\n<p>And I\u2019m like, \u201cHoly shit.\u201d After having so many specialists from different disciplines say like, \u201cYeah, I know you point to that, but that\u2019s not the spot. It\u2019s actually because there\u2019s referral pain from this, this, or this.\u201d And just having so many people dismiss how precisely I could point to where I felt the most pain, which was consistent over years. And for the first time, he\u2019s like, \u201cIf we look at the imaging right here, it is exactly where you are pointing with your finger.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Wow.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>So I\u2019m cautiously optimistic.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Dude, that\u2019s amazing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>This is the first time in six years. Also, there are different tools that work for different people. Sometimes it requires multiple tools. A lot of people have benefited from the work of John Sarno, but that school, for instance, in effect, says none of the imaging really maps to symptoms well, it\u2019s all in your head. So do cognitive training and reconditioning to solve it because \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>That\u2019s the guy that Howard Stern got his back problems fixed through, right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>It might be. A lot of people benefit from that stuff, but it\u2019s also infuriating to be told every type of back pain is in your head. I\u2019m like, \u201cReally? If I took a ball peen hammer and smashed one of your vertebrae, that would be in your head?\u201d I guess technically since the brain is governing pain, fine, but this is the first time with a relatively simple but precise intervention, I guess it\u2019s been about five days, it\u2019s like I can do everything with no pain.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Dude, that\u2019s amazing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>So what does that mean?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Well it could be the cortisol shot. That\u2019s the one thing that\u2019s like, hmm?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Well, that is \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>You probably had that before, right? Or no?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>No, I haven\u2019t, but here\u2019s the thing. So that\u2019s going to have \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Anti-inflammatory.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>\u2014 yeah, anti-inflammatory, it\u2019s also going to basically kind of, for lack of a better term, like puff up the pseudo joint in a way that sort of reverses the chronological age or development of that in some ways from a symptom perspective. But this is where I\u2019ll offer people something they can potentially look into, obviously with the help of really, really, really good doctors. If that shot continues to deliver benefits, and I can do all these things pain-free, which is the case right now, then there\u2019s something called radiofrequency ablation, RFA, which is used to, in this case, temporarily, completely incapacitate those nerves.<\/p>\n<p>So they go in, they apply radiofrequency ablation, and that should last for like a year to a year and a half, hopefully. And the hope in that case is, okay, with a year, year and a half, and I\u2019ve spoken to multiple people and they\u2019re like, \u201cEven if you resume a lot of your activities and stare step into it that previously caused pain, you shouldn\u2019t structurally make that worse.\u201d Because that was a concern.<\/p>\n<p>And I think that\u2019s enough of a period of time where you could effectively reprogram your pain patterning, right? Because for years now, it\u2019s like if I sit on a hard surface, my brain is like code red, DEFCON 5, you are about to not be able to sleep for six to seven days.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>And you\u2019re going to have trouble walking and sitting and standing. So super exciting.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>That\u2019s awesome.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>All right. So you mind if I continue my TED Talk for a second?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. Let\u2019s do it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>All right. So I also had long overdue surgery, I think I might have talked about this last time, but on my extensors, right? So the forearm extensors. So this would be considered like tennis elbow, like 20 plus years overdue, from a sports injury. And I\u2019m back to rock climbing. I\u2019m not great at rock climbing, but I love it. I just love rock climbing, feeling really good.<\/p>\n<p>And if people have never seen something called Abrahangs, so like Abraham, but Abrahangs, go on YouTube, find this Swedish rock climber named Emil Abrahamsson, so Abrahamsson, S-S-O-N, he is a monster, very competent rock climber, does like V13 problems and probably much more, incredible explainer of things and dives into a lot of training. And he, along with the help of this scientist named Keith Barr, B-A-A-R, who I\u2019ve actually had on the podcast, developed or tested this protocol for improving tendon strength.<\/p>\n<p>And it is the simplest, lowest impact thing you can imagine. It\u2019s basically 10 minutes, twice a day, and he does a bunch on a hangboard, but let\u2019s keep it simple. Let\u2019s say you\u2019re hanging on, could be a pull-up bar, could be a door jamb, could be the underside of some stairs, whatever, and he\u2019s hanging with like 30 to 85 percent of his weight, so his feet are still on the floor, does that for 10 seconds on, 50 seconds off, 10 seconds on, 50 seconds off, and you do it 10 times, that\u2019s 10 minutes, and then you do it again later in the day, and his before and after strength in endurance tests are mind-blowing.<\/p>\n<p>This is already a guy who we could say is a high level climber, and to see the before and after is crazy. So you don\u2019t always have to kill yourself to adapt in really, really interesting ways. And that\u2019s something I\u2019ve really, really benefited from. But the low back has been a limiter for the last few months, because hanging from a bar, if I don\u2019t engage the abs, it could cause some issues with the low back and spasming.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>So I bought this thing recommended by a friend of mine, Nick Norris, who\u2019s also been on the podcast, former Navy SEAL, called the NUG. And the NUG is, it\u2019s about the size of a gigantic bar of soap, it\u2019s a piece of wood, and it has different depths of grips on it, like 25 millimeters, 20 millimeters, and you can move it around really easily. And basically you could keep it in a jacket pocket. And as long as you have a carabiner, like one of those things that kind of clicks on, you can do all sorts of exercises while you\u2019re traveling. And at home I have basically a plate loading pin that you can load plates on.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Like this?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah, exactly. So that you can basically do like a single-handed deadlift with different weights.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>And so this is the same as essentially doing the hanging board?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>It\u2019s similar, right? You\u2019re going to be, I\u2019m looking for the same kind of loading, but what you can also do is take this thing that you can fit in your pocket and attach it to like a low cable machine. That\u2019s what I was doing in Santa Fe, actually.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Oh, that\u2019s cool.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>And just like get the weight off the ground, the stack off of the resting position and then I was doing 10 seconds on, 50 seconds off, 10 seconds on, 50 seconds off.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>And you only have one of these?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah, because I\u2019ll do one hand and then I\u2019ll do the other.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Oh, amazing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>So I\u2019ll be like, 10 seconds, 10 seconds, 40 second rest, 10 seconds, 10 seconds, 40 seconds rest.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Amazing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>And I think a lot \u2014 yeah, the website is Frictitious Climbing, doesn\u2019t exactly roll off the tongue, but like friction, Frictitious Climbing. They have the NUG, they have a bunch of other items that you can use while traveling for this, which are really, really interesting. So that\u2019s another one that I\u2019ve been traveling with. I\u2019ll let you go and then \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, this is awesome.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah. It\u2019s just a fun little tool to play with. Do not overdo finger training. You do not want to tear a pulley or something in your fingers. So less is more, less is more, less is more. This is, I guess, something like 30 to 85 percent of body weight. And obviously, or maybe it\u2019s not obvious, that\u2019s with two hands, so if you\u2019re doing it with one hand, it\u2019s going to be 15 to 40 percent.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>That\u2019s amazing. Oh, this is cool. Thanks. I already just ordered it by the time you\u2019re done talking about it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah. It\u2019s fun to play with.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Cool.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>What you got?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. So I\u2019ve got a couple of things. One, I was hanging with Craig Mod in Japan and you\u2019ve had Craig on the show before.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah. Craig.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Craig is \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Amazing, amazing guy.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I don\u2019t think there\u2019s anybody that understands Japan the way that Craig does, in terms of the back country and just like the little artisans and all the stuff that he\u2019s into.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Craig has walked probably fair to say like thousands of miles of different trails and pilgrimage paths in Japan. It\u2019s very likely he has walked more of Japan on foot than any other person.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. So he was out here visiting, he actually stayed in this house for a week when he was out here in L.A. And I walked in and he\u2019s got all his little toiletries sitting out. It\u2019s sitting out, he puts it all in Japanese order where it\u2019s got a little nice little cloth and it\u2019s got all this shit \u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>He even dresses like a Japanese person now.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, I know. So I mean he\u2019s lived there for 25 years, so that makes sense. But I saw his toothbrush and I was like, \u201cThat is a dope looking toothbrush.\u201d And I got you one.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Oh, wow, look at this.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>So you can get these on Amazon. It\u2019s got a really wide head. He said it\u2019s his favorite Japanese toothbrush.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>So for people who can\u2019t see it\u2019s like the toothbrush bristles are almost in a square. I mean, it\u2019s very square-like as opposed to being more elongated.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>And so you get three of these for $11.50 on Amazon. And what does it say in Japanese?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Premium care. Premium care.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Premium care. Oh, Toaster\u2019s here.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Premium care.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Hey, buddy.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Hi, buddy.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Look at old man Toast.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I was just saying hi to him earlier. Toaster is now 15. I was just saying to Darya that the last time we did a podcast sitting on a couch was at your place in San Francisco back when Toaster was a puppy and he chewed through the XLR cables on the Zoom.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yes, that\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Hey, buddy.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, he can\u2019t hear anything anymore. And sadly, his back legs are falling out from underneath them now. But look at that. He\u2019s still a good dude. Look at that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I feel like he recognized me because I\u2019ve seen him so many times.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Oh, for sure.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah. What a sweetheart.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>He\u2019s such a good boy.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>So yes, premium care.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. So I got you one of those and there\u2019s a three pack for $11.50. I think it\u2019s great. It\u2019s a fantastic toothbrush.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah, yeah. [Tim says something in Japanese]. Yeah, okay. Cool. I dig it. Thank you.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Speaking of all things Japanese, so I am hesitant to give this up. So if you want to get a \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Oh, low in stock, only one left.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Well, hold on, let me tell you why. So first of all, check this out. Check out this jacket.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Cool. All right. Oh, nice.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>You feel how heavy that is?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Feels almost like a \u2014 I know what this is. I know what this is.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>So this is a fireman\u2019s jacket in Japan.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>And this is a heavy, dope fireman\u2019s jacket. It\u2019s vintage from like \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>This would be hard to rip. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>\u2014 the 1970s.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Oh, wow.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>And so I found a store on Etsy.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>How did you even think to look for this?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Because I love this style of jacket.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Vintage Japanese fire jacket.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I didn\u2019t type in, fireman jacket. I typed in, Japanese jacket on Etsy. And so this importer, they import the coolest vintage Japanese.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I\u2019ll just wear this.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Everything from jackets to \u2014 you know how they used to do that patch mill work where they take stuff? They would patch quilts out of old material?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. So everything from little tiny shrines to wicker baskets. Dude, check out the store. Let me just show you this store real quick. And the only reason I\u2019m plugging it is \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Vintage Japanese Indigo dyed Kendo jacket.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>So they\u2019ve got all the little dolls. Look at these different types of indigo dyed blankets.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>So what\u2019s the seller?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>The seller is just an importer from Japan. Or exporter.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>You don\u2019t want to give the name?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>No, I will. Well, here\u2019s the deal. It\u2019s so inexpensive. In the States, if you were to buy this jacket from a designer called Visvim, which is like a well-known Japanese designer, this style of jacket would be \u2014 oh, gosh, it\u2019d probably be $2,500 for that jacket.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Wow. It\u2019s more expensive than my car.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>No, it\u2019s not. They sell these jackets on there for \u2014 here\u2019s one for $92. Look at this. Vintage 1960s jacket, $92.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Oh, that\u2019s cool. Watch out, buddy.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>You okay, bud? He needs a little help.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I don\u2019t think you\u2019re ready for the slackboard, my friend.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>There you go. Okay. I know, I know.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>That jacket\u2019s dope. But I just wanted to get this out there because I think if you\u2019re looking to buy vintage fun things in, you can\u2019t scroll.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I know, I know. I know. I\u2019m being an idiot.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>If you\u2019re looking for just various objects around your house that are vintage from Japan, this place is insanely inexpensive for all different types of things.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Blue Heritage Japan?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. So the Etsy name is Blue Heritage Japan.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>4.9 stars, thousands of reviews.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>But look at some of this stuff.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah, that\u2019s cool. These hanging tapestries for stores and stuff, those are fun.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>So anyway, I just thought it was a fun shop that \u2014 and you know it\u2019s legit because when you get the package, it\u2019s actually shipped directly from Japan. Oftentimes you\u2019ll find some of these places that make a Japanese style jacket and then you find a little tag that says made in China on the inside of it or something. So anyway, look at this farmer\u2019s washy paper basket. But wouldn\u2019t that be cool to have in your house sitting around somewhere? That\u2019s just awesome.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah. I guess these guys are based in Canada, looks like. CA.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Oh, no, that\u2019s just because I\u2019m logged in the Canadian store. They\u2019re based in Japan.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Why the hell are you logged into the Canadian store?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know. I was on VPN.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>You better close those porn browsers.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>No, I was in Japan and they were firewalling me off of some stuff, and so I had to use a VPN.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah, yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I\u2019m being dead serious, I\u2019m being dead serious. It wasn\u2019t porn, dude.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Thou doth protest too much. All right. Should I hop in?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, go ahead.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>All right, cool. So I want to recommend some podcasts for people. And these are two that I continue to revisit. One is a miniseries by <em>99% Invisible<\/em>, one of the OGs, Roman Mars, and he\u2019s got some co-hosts. It is a series on <em>The Power Broker<\/em>. So <em>The Power Broker<\/em> by Robert Caro won the Pulitzer Prize in 1975. It\u2019s a biography of Robert Moses, who basically shaped modern New York. And this book is considered the quintessential book to read if you want to understand state and local politics, especially power wielding in New York.<\/p>\n<p>And it\u2019s a legendary book. It\u2019s 1200 pages. I\u2019ve never made it through. I\u2019ve never even really put a dent in it. And then what <em>99% Invisible<\/em> does, they walk you through the whole book and give you their highlights. They interview Robert Caro himself who got to meet Robert Moses multiple times and they have guest appearances by people like Conan O\u2019Brien, who\u2019s a huge Robert Caro and <em>Power Broker<\/em> fan. It\u2019s a wonderful series.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Awesome.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>And I think there are 12 parts. I had listened to it ages ago, but they only had three episodes out and then I just petered out because I didn\u2019t want to wait months for the next one to come out. Now they have the full 12. So that\u2019s one. And then the other one is a podcast called <em>STEM-Talk<\/em>. And if I want to find interesting scientists doing things that I think I might be able to apply to my life or the lives of loved ones, and certainly there\u2019s a lot of stuff that\u2019s out on the edges that is not yet ready for any clinical applications. <em>STEM-Talk<\/em> is just incredible. And my latest discovery there is a really fascinating scientist named Dr. Francisco Gonzalez-Lima, who\u2019s at UT Austin.<\/p>\n<p>One of the many reasons I\u2019m interested in his research is that he has a very different view on neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer\u2019s and thinks, as I do, that people underweight and researchers underweight, how you might think of Alzheimer\u2019s as a vascular disease and including mitochondrial dysfunction. And the more I dig into this, the less compelling I find amyloid beta plaque, amyloid beta plaque for a whole host of reasons.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>It\u2019s pretty widely accepted now that that is a byproduct of something gone wrong and not the cause of it, right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>But still,<strong> <\/strong>I do think a lot of doctors and scientists would view it as a byproduct. Nonetheless, a lot of the treatment options like Donanemab infusions or otherwise are focused on removing plaque. But you can remove a lot of plaque \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>It doesn\u2019t do shit.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>\u2014 assuming it doesn\u2019t kill people because there are \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>The side effects are huge.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>\u2014 risks of RA and stuff. And you may not see any change in cognition whatsoever.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>What do you think of the Bredesen protocol?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Look, Dale Bredesen, I don\u2019t know much about Dale, so you should illuminate me. Let\u2019s get to that in a second.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, yeah, go ahead.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>But what I have seen, let\u2019s just say in the case of some of my relatives, I\u2019ve got three relatives with Alzheimer\u2019s right now, one who\u2019s disintegrating very quickly, one who\u2019s in hospice, and another who\u2019s in the early but rapidly advancing stages. I gave one of them actually the exact same ketone that I had before we sat down, only 10 grams because I didn\u2019t want to risk them getting dizzy, which can be a byproduct and falling, but I gave them 10 or 15 grams and within 20 minutes, longer sentences, faster speech, this is someone who\u2019s giving like one word, two word responses, and that lasted for about an hour, hour and a half. So if plaques, even if we\u2019re talking about tau and so on, if those were solely responsible, that shouldn\u2019t work. But I don\u2019t want to be dosing my family with ketones constantly for a lot of reasons. It\u2019s like, \u201cOkay, well, what else can we do?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And this Dr. Gonzalez-Lima has looked at low dose methylene blue and also photobiomodulation using lasers or LEDs right on, in most cases, the right prefrontal cortex.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>By the way, do you know that they\u2019re selling methylene blue on freaking Amazon now?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>That\u2019s scary.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I know. They didn\u2019t used to because they were scared to do it. Now there are supplement companies that are selling straight up methylene blue on Amazon.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>That\u2019s scary. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Although the safety profile, it\u2019s been used for a very long time.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah. It\u2019s got like 120 years of research, but if you overshoot the therapeutic window, you can fuck yourself up.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Oh, yeah. 100 percent. Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>So in this case, it\u2019s low dose, ideally plus photobiomodulation, and you\u2019re hitting two aspects of the electron transport chain that should be synergistic for mitochondrial function and also glucose metabolism. And so that\u2019s really got my attention right now.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Dude, look at this on Amazon. Look at this guy drinking a big pitcher of it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Guy\u2019s drinking a shaker bottle full of methylene blue.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>With the goldfish.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Dude.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Methylene blue is what they use for fish tanks, right? To color the water blue.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Is it?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, they were using it in fish tanks.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Well, if it\u2019s good enough for the fish tanks, I guess. Be careful.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, look at it. Here it is. General disease prevention for fish.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Oh, disease prevention. Oh, you know, hey.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>If it works for fish.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Those pet stores figured it out.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, exactly.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Be very careful, folks.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>If you overdo, this is true for a lot of things. You basically have a response curve where a hormetic dose, like a very small amount is good for you, like iocaine powder in the Princess Bride, or it helps with immune function and so on.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>If you take too much, it has the opposite effect. So you could, I believe, I don\u2019t think I\u2019m getting this wrong, handicap your mitochondrial function by taking too much.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Dude, look at this. 15 milligrams of methylene blue with 75 milligrams of vitamin C NeuroPro. I\u2019m not recommending this. This is just one on Amazon.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>It\u2019s All over Amazon. God, that\u2019s terrifying.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>What would be considered a microdose in your opinion?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I\u2019d have to go back and look at his actual research. People should listen to the <em>STEM-Talk<\/em> episode with Francisco Gonzalez-Lima.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>There\u2019s a picture of someone putting it in her purse.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Like an EpiPen.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, I\u2019ll just take this to go.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Take this to the spa.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>By the way, the comments \u2014 it\u2019s so funny you\u2019re on this because literally two days ago, I was in here reading the comments and they\u2019re like, \u201cI\u2019m peeing blue now.\u201d You pee blue.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>You do pee blue. And that\u2019s actually a way individually that you can begin to identify your customized dose.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Oh, you shouldn\u2019t be peeing blue.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>No, at what point you go from blue to clear. You can figure out basically what the half \u2014 I\u2019m probably using not exactly the correct terms, but figure out what the half life is in your body so that you\u2019re dosing at the right interval.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>They call this bro science, by the way, when two guys that don\u2019t have \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Well, I am pretty closely echoing. Yes, it is broscience, but it\u2019s bro science with citations, meaning don\u2019t trust exactly what I\u2019m saying, but go listen to the episode and read his research.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Dude, look at this.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Methylene blue gummies. Fuck.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>They\u2019re selling gummies now of methane blue.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Terrifying.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Anyway.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Just because it\u2019s a supplement doesn\u2019t make it safe, folks.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Amen. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Hemlock, all natural. Turns out, shouldn\u2019t have too much of it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Hemlock?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah, killed Socrates.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Oh, yeah, that\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah. It\u2019s just like arsenic, all natural. Don\u2019t go take a shaker bottle full of arsenic. So yeah, be careful out there, kids. But that definitely has my attention right now because I think about say parental risk, my mom\u2019s cognition is slipping, but she\u2019s APOE e3\/e3. Her APOE allele profile is 3\/3. I\u2019m 3\/4, my brother\u2019s 3\/4, which means we got the four from my dad. He\u2019s sharp as a tack. He\u2019s incredibly sharp and he\u2019s older than my mom. So it\u2019s like, all right, they both have metabolic dysfunction. So that\u2019s equalized. The fasting glucose and all that\u2019s terrible. It\u2019s like, what\u2019s going on? Well, you do inherit mitochondria from your mom and mitochondria are a very big deal. So looking at different levers that I might experiment with in my mom that could also potentially be applied preventatively in me and my brother.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. So the Dale Bredesen protocol is pretty awesome. He wrote a book about six or seven years ago, maybe it\u2019s closer to 10 now.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Nicotine enemas, am I right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Exactly. That\u2019s all it is. Which you tried for the first time today.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Oh, Jesus. Yeah. Well, it wasn\u2019t exactly that, but yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>So the one thing I like about, it\u2019s called <em>The End of Alzheimer\u2019s<\/em>, is the name of his book, is that he\u2019s \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Understated.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, exactly. Won\u2019t sell any copies with that title. But what he came up with is he said, \u201cOkay, listen, what we\u2019re seeing in the brain is the byproduct of something going haywire. It\u2019s either blood-brain barrier breaking down, allowing bad shit in. It could be bacteria. It could be a whole slew of different things.\u201d It could be, like you said, an issue with blood flow and it could be, what did you call it? A vascular type issue.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>And he thinks it\u2019s like three or four. He thinks it\u2019s either vascular, which sauna, other things like that help with. CocoaVia, like other ways to make sure that you have vascular health. Obviously the mitochondria thing is another one that he\u2019s huge on. And then he also thinks it could be toxin-related as well.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Sure.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>And talking about how to get those toxins out of your body, but his protocol is very common sense.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>What is it?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>It is essentially a handful of supplements, which are all the ones that you\u2019ve basically talked about along with, it\u2019s like a lightweight keto. So just making sure you go into lightweight ketosis like five days a week. And then obviously no sugar, no refined carbohydrate, it\u2019s eliminating all that shit. Turns out exercise, like intense exercise, is very important. And he\u2019s shown now over the course of a decade that he\u2019s taken people. Actually, you know Kelly Boys who we were on the \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Retreat with.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>\u2014 retreat with. She\u2019s an awesome meditation \u2014\u00a0 she teaches something, this form of relaxing yoga.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yoga Nidra.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. As an aside, her father, I think she\u2019d be okay for me to share this, we\u2019ll double check, but her father had mild cognitive impairment 10 years ago and they were, of course, really worried. They put them on the Dale Bredesen protocol and he\u2019s scoring better now than he was when he first took the test. 10 years later.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>And she\u2019s like, \u201cYeah, he still has issues here and there.\u201d But he\u2019s I guess in his 80s now or something, but that\u2019s what you want.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Makes a difference. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Even if we can say, okay, mild cognitive impairment, it\u2019s progressing. My mom is in this situation. She can\u2019t tell you what she had for breakfast, but thankfully she doesn\u2019t have Alzheimer\u2019s. She has some form of dementia. She remembers me, kids\u2019 names, stuff like that, the important things. She would have a hard time telling you what the name of my dog is. There\u2019s little things that slide through the cracks. She\u2019s sadly really overweight, didn\u2019t really want to do that. But the point is, if we could see this stuff early enough where you still have enough of your wits about you to take action, because compliance is huge, as you know. How hard is it to get your family members to go do high intensity exercise?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah. Can I pause for a second?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>So that\u2019s part of the reason why the methylene blue and the photobiomodulation are so interesting because for instance, there\u2019s a device that is actually worth investigating on some levels called the Cognito device. It\u2019s a headset and it was developed by scientists out of MIT and it\u2019s 40 hertz, I believe, both visual and auditory stimulation, and in Rhesus monkeys, pretty recently in the last year, they showed a lot of plaque clearance enhanced by this, right? But that\u2019s still, if I\u2019m understanding correctly, people fact check this, but that\u2019s still predicated on the theory of disease for Alzheimer\u2019s that by removing plaque, you get clinical outcomes, right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>The photobiomodulation \u2014 well, before I get to that, as I understand it, this is an hour a day of wearing this device on your head. My mom\u2019s not going to do that. There\u2019s no fucking way, right? Nor any of my relatives. However, the photobiomodulation, it\u2019s like eight to 10 minutes, right? Laser or LED. LED is a little harder to make \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>And do you have to go in to do that or can you get a device that does it at all?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I\u2019m going to buy a device and I\u2019m not recommending people do that. You can really damage your eyes with lasers and so on, but right now, it\u2019s not like you can go to a clinic and be like, \u201cHey, I\u2019d like to have this treatment.\u201d Just doesn\u2019t exist. So let me be the guinea pig before anybody does anything, but you get this device and I\u2019m sure it\u2019s going to be very expensive. Some of these lasers, they\u2019re like $30,000. But eight to 10 minutes, and you can see, even after a single session, you can see multiple weeks of effect. It\u2019s crazy.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>And so it just sits right on top of \u2014 into the eye or on top of the \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>No. Well, there are devices that go through the eyes, but this one, what makes it so mystifying in a way for me is that it\u2019s actually pointed at the forehead as an infrared laser. It\u2019s so fascinating. And there are peer reviewed published studies on this, which you can find. Anybody who looks up Gonzalez-Lima will find it. So it\u2019s exciting. It\u2019s super exciting because there\u2019s certain things. I know that my mitochondria are funky. And I know that through different types of endurance testing, different types of, obviously all sorts of stuff done through doctors and tests and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. There\u2019s something funky with the mitochondria. And I\u2019m like, \u201cOkay, well, let\u2019s try to get ahead of that.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And actually related to that, to invoke, I said she would come back. Rhonda Patrick, also, I was texting with her at one point because I was listening to <em>STEM-Talk<\/em>, that podcast I mentioned, and I came across a scientist discussing something called urolithin A.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Of course, Mitopure.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah, Mitopure. And two years ago, maybe it was two years ago, she was pretty bearish on it, but there\u2019s a lot of new research, or I shouldn\u2019t say a lot. There\u2019s new research that\u2019s come out and also met with a couple of biotech people in Boston who are very respected. I\u2019m not going to dox them because I don\u2019t want to, but they basically did this comprehensive analysis and landed on three or four things and one of them was urolithin A.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Right. I take 300 milligrams a day.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>300. How did you choose 300 milligrams?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Because that\u2019s what all the studies are done on \u2014 or no, sorry, so 500 to 1,000. I take 500 milligrams a day.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Clear then you\u2019ve been taking a higher dose.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I was like 300?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I\u2019ve only been doing these things for three months to see some results. So bear with me people, I was close. it was 200 milligrams off.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>What\u2019s a little strange is that if you buy the bag, you can get this on Amazon. I\u2019m not recommending you do that. Jury\u2019s still out, but I\u2019m like, \u201cHey, I want to hit mitochondria from as many reasonably plausible mechanisms or angles as possible.\u201d You can get Mitopure. It\u2019s expensive AF. It is very expensive.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I was going to tell people that the one that people talk about the most in this world that has done a lot of clinical studies around it, your Urolithin A is this company called Timeline, who doesn\u2019t say \u2014 they trademarked the name of it, which is Mitopure. The problem is it\u2019s freaking expensive.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>It\u2019s very, very expensive.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>And I don\u2019t know, is there another company that\u2019s out there that has high quality? Because I\u2019m not going to put shit into my body, right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>But I would like to know, is there any company that has \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>When you say expensive, it\u2019s like 60 count is $125, right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Right. And you\u2019re taking two a day.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>It\u2019s expensive.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. So that\u2019s 30 days.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>And most of the studies actually have people taking a thousand a day. So if you\u2019re taking a thousand a day, the prices are going to add up. But again \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I would trust Pure Encapsulations if they offered some of it. I haven\u2019t seen anybody \u2014 there\u2019s no other brands that I\u2019ve seen that \u2014 you know the household names like the Thorns, the Pures, the ones that \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>And this is a single SKU, well, not a single SKU, but a single compound company. They have a lot vested in IP protection and so on.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>But it can\u2019t be synthesized. They don\u2019t own urolithin A. Obviously that\u2019s something that anyone can produce.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Well, urolithin A is also \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>urolithin A, I mean.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>\u2014 what\u2019s called a postbiotic. If you were eating tons of pomegranates and walnuts and so on, there\u2019s certain things that in your gut, biomicrobes will be converted into, in part, urolithin A. The problem is that there\u2019s a high degree of variability. So if Kevin eats two handfuls of walnuts and I ate two handfuls of walnuts, we\u2019re not going to get the same amount of urolithin A out. Fortunately, urolithin A is very orally bioavailable, which is why the supplementation potentially makes sense.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>What\u2019s interesting is actually Pure Encapsulations does make one, and when you go and look at the label, they actually buy Mitopure for theirs.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Oh, There you go.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>So they use Mitopure in theirs.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Well, Mitopure in this case is almost like an industrial grade supplier in so much as Creapure. If you\u2019re buying Creatine, I use Momentus Creatine, they\u2019re a sponsor of the podcast, but I like their stuff and everything is NSF certified and third party analyzed. Creapure is this supplier, just like maybe Mitopure is, that\u2019s providing something that is very pure and properly assayed and so on and so forth. Okay. So Pure Encapsulations, it\u2019s not cheap either. That one\u2019s 80 bucks.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>80 bucks, but so that\u2019ll get you \u2014 hold on. Let\u2019s just do the math here. So $80 of 60 pills. And, again, it is 250 mgs per two pills, so that\u2019s half the dose.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah, so if you wanted \u2014 well, per two pills, so if you wanted a thousand a day, that\u2019s eight per day.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>It\u2019s 160. Oh, thousand a day, yeah, eight a day.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah, it\u2019s eight a day, 60 capsules.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>But it has other shit in there, too. I don\u2019t want all this other stuff, the resveratrol and whatever.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>So, yeah, it\u2019s expensive. That 80 bucks is going to last you like 12 days, something like that. In any case, guys, the jury is out.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>The jury is out.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>But it\u2019s interesting enough that I added it into the rotation. And I routinely take things out of the rotation also.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. Same.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>This one I\u2019ve been taking for probably six to eight weeks.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>What\u2019s the number one thing that you\u2019ve kept in rotation for the longest time? I have two, vitamin D, obviously, because my levels are chronically low without it. And I think, at this point, it\u2019s a no-brainer to get your levels where they should be. And then I would say curl-ups is another one that I have had in for a long time \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>CocoaVia is interesting, yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>\u2014 just because it looks really interesting in terms of vascular health, and then I think, well, obviously, your high-quality omega-3. Outside of that, I don\u2019t know what else I\u2019ve had. What\u2019s been in your rotation forever?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I mean, a lot of them are dictated by genetic analysis and blood biomarkers in some way. Right? So, outside of prescription stuff, because I am taking things to not die of cardiovascular disease, because everybody in my family gets smoked by some kind of cardiovascular disease, and I\u2019m, like, \u201cYeah. I\u2019m no spring chicken.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Are you taking Repatha, too?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah, I\u2019m taking Repatha.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. Where do you inject it?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>In the thigh. I hate it. It\u2019s so painful.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Oh, really?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I find it so painful.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Oh, my God, dude, I can tell you a secret.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>What\u2019s the secret?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>How often are you \u2014 how long do you let the alcohol dry for?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I don\u2019t think it\u2019s the alcohol.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Dude, I\u2019m telling you \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I\u2019ve done thousands of injections in myself.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>You got to let it because, if you would just like swipe, swipe, swipe and then go pop, it hurts because it\u2019s pushing the alcohol down into the cuts.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah. Maybe I\u2019m not waiting long enough because I\u2019m impatient. It\u2019s possible because \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Oh, oh, oh, are you letting it come to room temperature, too?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah, I did let it come to room temperature. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Okay, because you know it takes five times as long to inject it if you don\u2019t.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah. Yeah, there\u2019s the prescription stuff. It\u2019s not going to apply to too broad a number of people, and I don\u2019t want anyone aping it and getting themselves into trouble, but there are like a few prescription meds for lipid profile specifically, in my case, cholesterol absorption, hyperabsorption. But I would say supplement-wise, omega-3, I honestly try to get that from fish when I can. I eat a lot of canned sardines and mackerel and stuff, which ties into the keto and Fasting Mimicking Diet diet stuff. Vitamin D, yes, although I\u2019m pretty skeptical of like the entire planet having vitamin D deficiency frankly. I do take it though. And then there\u2019s some B vitamin complex stuff.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I do that, too.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I\u2019m a shitty methylator, so that\u2019s a good idea.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. Same.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>And creatine, although I end up looking kind of like a puffy fat baby if I eat too much of that stuff.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Wait. Are you doing five grams?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>It depends on the day, right? So like I took five grams today. If I\u2019m training, I\u2019m going to use at least 10. I\u2019m doing weight training. And then, if I have a crazy travel schedule ahead of me where I\u2019m going to be in like London for one day and Sweden for one day, I\u2019ll be taking probably 20 to 30 grams a day \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Wow.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>\u2014 because my sleep\u2019s going to be so screwed \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>\u2014 just to compensate for the sleep deprivation.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Holy shit. Good luck.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yep.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Good luck making it to the toilet.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah. Don\u2019t \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Creatine jacks your stomach up, right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Don\u2019t combine. Actually, I\u2019m fine with creatine. If I get \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>You told me at one point it was messing you up though.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Well, there was the story of me \u2014 what did I have? I was in San Francisco. This is probably TMI, but whatever. We\u2019re all friends here, right? So I was in San Francisco. I had my Volkswagen Golf. It got broken into like three times for change. I was so annoyed. San Francisco for the win. And, in any case, I had to run to an international flight, and I was stressed out because I was running behind. And I was, like, well, just before I go, I\u2019m going to have double espresso, 10 grams of creatine, and then I had MCT oil.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Oh, oh, my God, dude.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>And I\u2019m driving on my way to the airport like in a massive rush. I don\u2019t have time for anything. And I leaned to do a little squeaker, and just \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Oh, no.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>\u2014 full disaster pants.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>In an Uber?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>No. In my own car.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Oh.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I park in long-term parking and \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Did you grab a new pair out of your thing, just wipe and go?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Oh, God, all right, I can\u2019t believe I\u2019m talking about this to millions of people. But I basically took the underwear and like some rags that I had, like did what I had to do for like emergency field triage \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Oh, my God.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>\u2014 tossed it under my car, put on my pants \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Throw it in the trash.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>\u2014 put on my pants. No, I literally was about to miss my flight. I put my pants on commando style and then ran on and got on the flight.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Wow.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>And I was just, like, \u201cI\u2019m sorry, everybody.\u201d I know this can\u2019t be too much of a wonderful cologne for anyone near me.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Oh, God.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>We might need to edit some of that. So, yeah, don\u2019t do those three at once. If you\u2019re getting Creapure creatine, I don\u2019t find it to mess up my stomach at all. Totally fine. If you combine it with caffeine and MCT oil \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>MCT oil is the devil, dude.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>All bets are off. All bets are off.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>That stuff just goes straight through you. I don\u2019t know a single person that can do high-dose MCT and has been, like, \u201cOh, my stomach\u2019s fine.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah. No. You\u2019re going to \u2014 high risk. You should just pre-order the subscription of Depends.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. Exactly.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Let me mention one other thing. So, related to all the mental health stuff, it sounds like we\u2019re doing like tons of stuff, millions of things. It\u2019s actually not that complicated for me. Right? There are a few supplements that I\u2019m taking consistently, the creatine, the Urolithin A, et cetera. There are a few things I\u2019m considering like methylene blue. If photobiomodulation with the lasers or LEDs is something that you can experiment with once a week or once every few weeks and track changes over time, let\u2019s do that, and before and after cognitive testing. Intermittent ketosis, which I find easiest to do through intermittent fasting, frankly, which I\u2019ll be doing when I travel also. I find it to help with jet lag.<\/p>\n<p>And then there\u2019s the exercise, right? And so what kind of exercise? I did a podcast with Dr. Tommy Wood recently. Fascinating guy. People should listen to that episode. But 4\u00d74 Norwegian, high-intensity training, which is like you\u2019re basically doing \u2014 I guess it would be considered zone four. You\u2019re really maxing out your heart rate. And you\u2019re doing four minutes on, three minutes off, four minutes on, three minutes off, four minutes on. You\u2019re repeating that four times. And it is very much puke inducing. It\u2019s a lot of lactic acid.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>The problem has always been, or one of the problems has always been that, if I\u2019m traveling, stationary bikes in hotels are just terrible.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>They will destroy my knees. They\u2019re just too inconsistent in terms of settings and stuff. So I was texting with Tommy. I don\u2019t think he\u2019d mind me saying. I\u2019ll have to double check with him. But I asked him, I said if \u2014 in the conversation we had, I was, like, \u201cWell, what are the drivers here? Is it VO2 max, because talk about VO2 max, VO2 max, VO2 max?\u201d And he said, \u201cWell, lactate actually seems to be a big driver, like lactic acid, right?\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Driver of what?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Driver of the cognitive changes, like the neuroanatomical and vascular changes. And he\u2019s, like, \u201cOkay.\u201d \u201cWell, hold on a second.\u201d I was, like, \u201cIf that\u2019s the case, there are certain ways of weight training. Like if you do 20 rep squats in slow cadence or any number of different things, like you are going to be brimming with lactic acid. Could that possibly achieve the same effect?\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>You don\u2019t think it\u2019s klotho?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>What\u2019s that?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>You don\u2019t think it\u2019s klotho?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Klotho is another part of it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Because klotho has been shown \u2014 like HIIT is what creates klotho in humans.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Well, klotho is another piece. I don\u2019t think it\u2019s the only piece. I mean, look, I can\u2019t wait for us to have proper injectable klotho or that lever to pull. But, in the meantime, I guess, right now, today, what I\u2019m saying is like high intensity interval training when you\u2019re traveling is not always the easiest thing to do.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Right. Right. Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>But, like for instance, when I go back to my hotel tonight, can I do like a couple of sets of very high repetition leg presses and just basically have lactic acid pouring out my eyeballs? Yeah, I can do that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>And I can do it in like five minutes. Right? And there are many open questions about it, but that\u2019s the approach I\u2019m taking. And what\u2019s really cool about the Norwegian 4\u00d74 that Tommy describes, and I think I\u2019m remembering this correctly, is that, if you do it, I think it\u2019s three times a week for six months, you can observe the effects, the beneficial effects for like five years afterwards.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Wow. Holy shit.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Isn\u2019t that fucking crazy?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>That\u2019s amazing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>The durability of the effects are just nuts.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Okay, this is what I get to \u2014 I\u2019ll start by like 1\u00d71 or something. And you could go in 4\u00d74?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>There ain\u2019t no way in hell I\u2019m doing 4\u00d74.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>4\u00d74, if you\u2019re doing it properly. I use a Morpheus chest strap. But you\u2019re assuming a certain level of like baseline cardiovascular fitness to do 4\u00d74.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Not really because, I mean, look, you don\u2019t \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>It\u2019s subjective.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>You don\u2019t blow yourself apart, but it\u2019s heart-rate based, right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>So, if you get winded and your heart gets gone walking up a flight of stairs, like you\u2019re not going to need very much to get into the proper zone. I will say, for me, and this comes back to the mitochondrial discussion, and I\u2019ve had doctors who are, like, \u201cThat\u2019s nonsense. It\u2019s all mediated by the lungs.\u201d It\u2019s actually not mediated by the lungs. It\u2019s all like heart stroke volume. I\u2019m, like, \u201cMy legs crap out first before my heart rate gets to where it needs to be.\u201d My legs are the weak link.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Oh, dude.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I feel that fatigue in my legs.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I\u2019ve got boots for you tonight. Can I put the boots on while you have dinner?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Are these the \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>The ones that go all the way up the leg.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>\u2014 Normatec?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, Normatec.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I\u2019ll try them. Yeah, I\u2019ll try them.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Have you ever tried them?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I have. I love those.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Oh, they\u2019re so good, man. For people who don\u2019t know, real quick, just a quick aside, they just squeeze and then move the blood around in your legs. They\u2019re great for recovery.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>It\u2019s like if you want to feel like a Kobe cow \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. Exactly.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>\u2014 just throw on some Normatec boots, have a cold beer while you\u2019re doing it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. And we could do both of those things tonight.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I mean that\u2019s \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>That\u2019s it from my side.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>That\u2019s a lot \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I can do the doom-and-gloom AI shit, but I don\u2019t want to talk about that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah. No. Let\u2019s save the doom-and-gloom for next time. I think you\u2019re getting contagions from one of our other friends. I left out something that\u2019s kind of important.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I\u2019ve just got to make sure what you\u2019re talking about. We have a buddy that just like we text with. And we love you if you\u2019re listening. But he\u2019s, like, \u201cThe world is ending.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>It\u2019s a lot of \u2014 I lean dystopian anyway. It\u2019s like I don\u2019t need any feeding that hypervigilant. Like I need to become John Connor. Like I don\u2019t. Plus, it\u2019s like, can I do anything? What am I going to do? What\u2019s Tim going to do?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. Exactly. Meditating.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>The fuck, the genie is out of the bottle, folks, so we\u2019ll save the doom-and-gloom for next time. But, in terms of an actionable thing, like something I just did before coming here, let\u2019s say you want to experiment with this lactate as lever for cognitive longevity, right? That\u2019s interesting. Okay, and let\u2019s just say, furthermore, to your point, right, everybody\u2019s getting older. And, believe me, maybe you\u2019re like a 20-year-old dude and feeling immortal. Those like popped-up joints and broken bones will add up, and they will come back to haunt you like the ghost of Christmas past. So, if you\u2019re trying to minimize injury risk, right, there are a couple of different ways you can do it. One that I\u2019ve been a proponent of for a long time is slow down, right? Five seconds up, five seconds down, 10 seconds up, 10 seconds down.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Time under 10 is just huge, right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah, so it\u2019s like, look, if you\u2019re not a competitive powerlifter, consider moving slowly. What that requires you to do is lower the weight. You\u2019re also not going to be using momentum. The second thing you can \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Testosterone?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Not for lactate, but, yeah, I mean, sure, when in doubt, yeah, testosterone.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>When in doubt.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>When in doubt.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>200 milligrams once a week.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah, that\u2019s a joke, people.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Well, first of all, if you have it \u2014 well, anyway, don\u2019t do that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>So the second thing you can do, which I\u2019ve been experimenting with, which Tommy would use this all the time, especially when traveling, is blood flow restriction cuffs.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>And so \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I used to have some of those before my fire happened.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah, so \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I would blood flow. I got the automatic ones that would automatically keep the pressure, too.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you don\u2019t want to use, like, a hand pump. I\u2019m using the KAATSU \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, mine are digital KAATSU. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>\u2014 K-A-A-T-S-U, C4. I\u2019m using the C4 because I\u2019m, like, I don\u2019t want another app on my phone.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Did you get the app? Oh, I got the app.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I don\u2019t want \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>That\u2019s nice.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>No. Like, look, if people want apps, they can. I\u2019m kind of along the Bill Burr lines of, like, \u201cI need to install a fucking app to use my toaster now? Like, please, shoot me.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>What about having a hummingbird feeder?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Oh, yeah, we\u2019ll talk about that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Okay.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Let me finish the blood flow restriction. We\u2019re all over the place. All right. So the blood flow restriction, all it is is a cuff. It inflates and it causes a partial occlusion. Right? It\u2019s cutting off circulation to your arms or your legs. And there\u2019s a lot of really good science on this. You can check it out. But what you can do when traveling \u2014 and I\u2019m trying this right now. Tommy Wood, by the way, is a phenomenal athlete, endurance and strongman in addition to being an incredible researcher. I don\u2019t know where they breed these people like Dominic D\u2019Agostino, same thing, like 500-pound deadlift for 10 reps after a seven-day fast. Like who are these people? Anyway, Tommy is a beast. When he\u2019s traveling, and he doesn\u2019t lose muscle when he\u2019s doing this, he\u2019ll use blood flow restriction. And he\u2019ll bring bands.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Oh, interesting.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>He\u2019ll just bring a bunch of bands. And I got to tell you.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>It doesn\u2019t take much. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I like to think of myself as reasonably strong. I\u2019m not a world-class powerlifter, but I think, like generally, pretty strong guy. I put on those cuffs today. And I was, like, \u201cI think I\u2019ll just bump it from light up to medium.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Like 20 pounds?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Ah, well, it has a different metric. It has a different \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>The band strength?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah, in terms of like there\u2019s \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Extra large or extra strong or whatever?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I can\u2019t remember. Yeah, I mean, if you use the KAATSU bands. There are many other brands. Tommy uses a different brand. You can find it in the podcast. We can put it in the show notes. But, suffice it to say, it\u2019s like you\u2019re using very, very light weights. And it\u2019s like I can probably do hammer curls with like 40-pound dumbbells, let\u2019s just say.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>With those on?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>No.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>That\u2019s what I was going to say. That\u2019s way too much weight.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I\u2019m saying, normally, with reasonable cadence, not swinging around, I can probably do hammer curls with 40 pounds without too much trouble with the blood flow restriction bands on.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Like, literally, 20 pounds is all you need.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Oh, 10 pounds.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>And I was doing like 30 reps and then take a 15-second rest, then 20 reps, 15-second rest, like 10 to 50 reps.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>So you have the C4s, these bad boys?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I\u2019ve got the C4s, yeah. And, look, KAATSU is expensive. These are, what, yeah, $1,259. Like that is expensive. There are other options that are not that expensive. But then the one that really was humbling is I was, like, \u201cOkay, I\u2019ll just do pushups for like triceps,\u201d just because I only brought the armbands. I didn\u2019t bring the leg bands and everything this time around. I can just do like walking and lunges. Trust me, you can smoke yourself doing those. But I was doing pushups, and I was, like, \u201cWell, let me start moderate. I\u2019ll just start on like a bench that\u2019s about 18 inches off the ground. I\u2019ll do some pushups.\u201d And I did like 25, and I\u2019m, like, \u201cWow, that\u2019s a lot harder than I would expect,\u201d right, because like, on the ground, I could probably do, I don\u2019t know, 40, good form, 50 pushups. And I did 25. I was, like, \u201cWow, that\u2019s uncomfortable.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And then I went to do the next set, got like five, and I was, like, \u201cOh, I can\u2019t do it.\u201d And so then I increased my \u2014 basically elevated myself to make it easier. Right? And I\u2019m doing it on, like, the seat of a hamstring curl machine. Did like 12. Couldn\u2019t do any more. And then I got to the point where I was literally doing pushups. It\u2019s so humbling on like the railing of the stairs. I was basically standing up straight, and I did 30 reps, and I was, like, \u201cThis really\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Okay, real quick \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>\u201c\u2026keeps your ego in check.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>20-second version, why is it working? Why is restricting blood flow working? Why is it building more muscle?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Well, it\u2019s doing a few different things. It\u2019s also increasing capillary density and vasculature. It\u2019s having a whole host of effects. I, to be honest, don\u2019t \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>But doesn\u2019t it increase HGH as well, localized?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>It might. It makes you sweat your balls off, too.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>And then had another question.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Not to get too technical, but\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose:<\/strong> Could it work? Could that work?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Kevin\u2019s asking me if you could use blood flow restriction on your \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I didn\u2019t want to bring it up unless it was with \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>\u2014 on your <em>Schwantz<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>So, listen, I think \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I think it sounds like a terrible idea.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>No. Listen, they have rings that you can put around your schwonks and \u2014 but, listen, hear me out.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yes, I know those exist.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I just literally Googled that there is smooth muscle tissue in there. If you\u2019re telling me that you\u2019re putting bands on your arms doing lifts, if you \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>How are you going to do lifts with your <em>Schwanz<\/em>?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>You have to have a schlonks erection.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>And then you do some shaolin monk \u2014 like \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Well, if you have the band \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>\u2014 like curl-ups?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I\u2019m just saying this is a theory.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss:<\/strong> Oh, I guess you could like do manual resistance. You could push it down and then bring it back up.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Keving Rose:<\/strong> Push it down, five seconds up. Do you know what\u2019s crazy? Obviously, everyone knows this is a joke, but it might not be, you know what I mean?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Do not \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Like this could be real.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah, do not wrap duct tape or anything \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Well, they have rings that they sell at stores.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think you can try that and then report back in the next show.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Have you ever used one of the rings?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>I don\u2019t think so.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>You have to.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>No. I mean, I would. Why not? Yeah, I mean, why not? As long as you\u2019re not going to completely \u2014 I mean, it\u2019s not going to just fall off.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Apparently, it locks the blood in.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Well, obviously, yeah. What else would it be for?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, obviously, for people that don\u2019t know, pre-Viagra era.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>We\u2019re talking about cock rings. We\u2019re speaking in fucking riddles here. It\u2019s like that\u2019s what they\u2019re called.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>We\u2019re speaking in Zen koans here. What is the sound of one \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah. Okay. This really fucking went in the gutter, yeah, quickly.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Well, we\u2019re almost at the end of the episode, so \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Hummingbirds.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Hummingbirds. Okay. So, before we started the show, Tim was, like, \u201cYou\u2019ve got to mention the hummingbirds,\u201d and I\u2019m like \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Well, I looked at your draft, and I was, like, \u201cYou\u2019ve got to talk about your hummingbird thing.\u201d You\u2019ve sent me a bunch of these videos.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Dude, they\u2019re so cool. Okay. So, essentially, for Christmas, I got my kids a hummingbird feeder with a digital camera built in. And the cool thing about it is it charges from the sunlight and then also \u2014 so the camera just always stays on. And then also it detects what \u2014 in this case, it\u2019s the hummingbird, but they have for normal birds as well. But it\u2019ll tell you the variety of hummingbird that landed and then uses AI. And then you could name them. And so we have one named \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Tony is back.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, exactly, and we have one named Sunset. Our girl\u2019s named it Sunset because it has this beautiful red neck, and we\u2019re like \u2014 I\u2019ll get a text notification. \u201cSunset is drinking\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss:<\/strong> Is this the one?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, that\u2019s the one, Birdbuddy. It\u2019s the Birdbuddy Smart Solar Pro Hummingbird Feeder. And it\u2019s fun, people, because these things are so beautiful and \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>The videos are amazing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>The videos are amazing. And then they play with each other. And you watch them hovering. And you get full audio. You see the little \u2014 their tiny tongues like sticking out. It\u2019s just amazing. It\u2019s really cool.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah, the videos were quite cool.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>And then I got the one that is for just standard birds which has bird feed that comes down, and the motherfucking squirrels are taking it over.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Oh, they\u2019re just mercenaries.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>They are ruthless. Dude, they jump. Like there\u2019s nothing you could do to keep them out of it. They will spring onto it. And then you see they\u2019re like \u2014 sadly, they look out because they don\u2019t want to get attacked, and so all I have is squirrel ass on my freaking camera. I\u2019m, like, \u201cGoddammit, how do I get rid of the squirrels?\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Have you heard of Mark Rober? Does his name mean anything to you?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>No.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>He created like the ultimate squirrel ninja warrior course in his backyard.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>No.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>He put it on YouTube. Let me \u2014 yeah, there we go. All right. Mark Rober, squirrels, I think he had the same problem. Here we go. Backyard Squirrel Maze 1.0 Ninja Warriors.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>It\u2019s supposed to keep them out?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>People have to check this out. Oh, hold up, no ads, no free ads.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I got to pay for my pro.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah. You\u2019re not paying the $5 a month.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>I\u2019m not logged in. I\u2019m not logged in to the pro.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>You\u2019re buying $7,000 Japanese vintage jackets but you won\u2019t pay $5 to get rid of these goddam ads.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah, just click \u201cskip.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>All right. So, here, hold on a sec.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Whoa.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah, look at this setup.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>This is like MrBeast for squirrels.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Oh, yeah, look, these guys just get \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>My God, it\u2019s totally MrBeast for squirrels. Like he\u2019s having them go through all these obstacle courses.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>They stick their heads through and then they get a photo taken. All right, we\u2019ll link to that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>People, you have to watch this video.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Backyard Squirrel Maze 1.0 by Mark Rober.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Dude, this is \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>R-O-B-E-R.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>\u2014 144 million views.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>See, this is the kind of shit where I\u2019m, like, \u201cI should have come up with this idea.\u201d Like this is too good. All right. Solid.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Hummingbirds and cock rings.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Yeah. We covered it all this time, people.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Brought to you courtesy the Random Show.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Brother, good to see you.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Yeah, good to see you, too, man.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Glad you\u2019re \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>Good to see you, too.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>Glad you\u2019re feeling better. And, yeah \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>To be continued.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>To be continued.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss:<\/strong> All right, folks, we\u2019ll put everything in the show notes, tim.blog\/podcast. Random Show. It\u2019s going to be one of those. Search for cock rings. It\u2019ll be the only result on tim.blog. And, until next time, take care of \u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kevin Rose: <\/strong>For now.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tim Ferriss: <\/strong>\u2014 yourselves. 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