{"id":7445,"date":"2024-05-08T16:21:10","date_gmt":"2024-05-08T20:21:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/a-strategic-deep-dive-on-tiktok-the-boiling-moat-of-taiwan-and-chinas-next-gen-statecraft-matt-pottinger-former-u-s-deputy-national-security-advisor-736\/"},"modified":"2024-05-08T16:21:10","modified_gmt":"2024-05-08T20:21:10","slug":"a-strategic-deep-dive-on-tiktok-the-boiling-moat-of-taiwan-and-chinas-next-gen-statecraft-matt-pottinger-former-u-s-deputy-national-security-advisor-736","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/a-strategic-deep-dive-on-tiktok-the-boiling-moat-of-taiwan-and-chinas-next-gen-statecraft-matt-pottinger-former-u-s-deputy-national-security-advisor-736\/","title":{"rendered":"A Strategic Deep Dive on TikTok, The Boiling Moat of Taiwan, and China\u2019s Next-Gen Statecraft \u2014 Matt Pottinger, Former U.S. Deputy National Security Advisor (#736)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <a href=\"https:\/\/hop.clickbank.net\/?affiliate=infohatch&amp;vendor=J1R2C\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-10614 aligncenter\" src=\"http:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px.png\" alt=\"Profit Gen\" width=\"400\" height=\"217\" srcset=\"https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px.png 400w, https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px-300x163.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/a><br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"600\" height=\"480\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tim.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Matt-Pottinger-Illustration.jpeg?resize=600%2C480&amp;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-76844\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tim.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Matt-Pottinger-Illustration-scaled.jpeg?resize=1024%2C819&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tim.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Matt-Pottinger-Illustration-scaled.jpeg?resize=300%2C240&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tim.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Matt-Pottinger-Illustration-scaled.jpeg?resize=768%2C614&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tim.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Matt-Pottinger-Illustration-scaled.jpeg?resize=1536%2C1229&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tim.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Matt-Pottinger-Illustration-scaled.jpeg?resize=2048%2C1638&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tim.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Matt-Pottinger-Illustration-scaled.jpeg?w=1200&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tim.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Matt-Pottinger-Illustration-scaled.jpeg?w=1800&amp;ssl=1 1800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 90vw, 600px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Illustration via <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/99designs.com\/tim\" rel=\"noopener\">99designs<\/a><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p><strong>\u201cAs a former Marine, Deputy National Security Advisor, I was juggling the most serious national security threats facing the United States. I think TikTok is near the top. Near the top, okay? Think for a moment how preposterous it is that we are in a situation where the main platform is controlled by a hostile totalitarian government. The main platform by which a whole generation of Americans communicate and acquire their news.\u201d<\/strong> <br \/>\u2014 Matt Pottinger<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>Matt Pottinger<\/strong> is a distinguished visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution and chairman of the China Program at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.<\/p>\n<p>Matt served as U.S. Deputy National Security Advisor from 2019 to 2021. In that role, Matt coordinated the full spectrum of national security policy.\u00a0 Before that, he served as the NSC\u2019s senior director for Asia, where he led the administration\u2019s work on the Indo-Pacific region, and in particular its shift on China policy.<\/p>\n<p>Before his White House service, Matt spent the late 1990s and early 2000s in China as a reporter for Reuters and <em>The Wall Street Journal<\/em>. He then fought in Iraq and Afghanistan as a U.S. Marine during three combat deployments between 2007 and 2010. Following active duty, Matt ran Asia research at Davidson Kempner Capital Management, a multi-strategy investment fund in New York.<\/p>\n<p>Matt\u2019s new book, <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Boiling-Moat-Urgent-Defend-Taiwan\/dp\/0817926453\/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong><em>The Boiling Moat: Urgent Steps to Defend Taiwan<\/em><\/strong><\/a>,<em> <\/em>is coming out July 1st.<\/p>\n<p>Please enjoy!<\/p>\n<p><strong><em><strong><em>Listen to the episode on\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/736-a-strategic-deep-dive-on-tiktok-the-boiling\/id863897795?i=1000654903276\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Apple Podcasts<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/1Qz97qFgE22jpYvER5mF6j?si=sjevNUPaS5eZHd91osFf5Q\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Spotify<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/overcast.fm\/itunes863897795\/the-tim-ferriss-show\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer 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class=\"podcast-block__link-text-top\">Listen on<\/span><span class=\"podcast-block__link-text\">Spotify<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"wp-block-tim-podcast-link-main podcast-block wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><a class=\"podcast-block__link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/overcast.fm\/itunes863897795\/the-tim-ferriss-show\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1000\" height=\"1000\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/tim.blog\/wp-content\/themes\/timferriss\/inc\/blocks\/podcast-link\/images\/overcast.svg\" class=\"podcast-block__link-icon\"\/><span class=\"podcast-block__link-text-top\">Listen on<\/span><span class=\"podcast-block__link-text\">Overcast<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"podcast-player\">\n<div class=\"podcast-player-inner-wrap\">\n<p>#736: A Strategic Deep Dive on TikTok, The Boiling Moat of Taiwan, and China\u2019s Next-Gen Statecraft \u2014 Matt Pottinger, Former U.S. Deputy National Security Advisor (#736)<\/p>\n<p><noscript><iframe src=\"https:\/\/www.art19.com\/shows\/58dacbdc-646e-4585-9914-19c3de11d1ba\/episodes\/0ae53212-c3f8-4a9e-957c-e88dc8ca390c\/embed?type=micro\" style=\"width: 100%; height: 30px; border: 0 none;\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/noscript><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\">\n<p>\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"A Strategic Deep Dive on TikTok, The Boiling Moat of Taiwan, and China\u2019s Next-Gen Statecraft (4K)\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/hOMpnA-iMRg?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/p>\n<\/figure>\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator 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Take your business to the next level today by visiting\u00a0<\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/shopify.com\/tim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>shopify.com\/Tim<\/strong><\/a><strong>.<\/strong><\/p>\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n<p><strong>This episode is brought to you by\u00a0<\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/wealthfront.com\/tim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Wealthfront<\/strong><\/a><strong>!<\/strong>\u00a0Wealthfront is an app that helps you save and invest your money.\u00a0Right now, you can earn\u00a0<strong>5%<\/strong>\u00a0APY\u2014that\u2019s the Annual Percentage Yield\u2014with the\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/wealthfront.com\/tim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Wealthfront Cash Account<\/a>. That\u2019s\u00a0more than <strong>ten times<\/strong>\u00a0more interest than if you left your money in a savings account at the average bank, according to FDIC.gov.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>It takes just a few minutes to sign up, and then you\u2019ll immediately <strong>start earning 5% interest on your savings<\/strong>.\u00a0And when you open an account today, you\u2019ll get\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/wealthfront.com\/tim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>an extra fifty-dollar bonus<\/strong><\/a><strong>\u00a0<\/strong>with a deposit of five hundred dollars or more.\u00a0<strong>Visit\u00a0<\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/wealthfront.com\/tim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Wealthfront.com\/Tim<\/strong><\/a><strong>\u00a0to get started.<\/strong><\/p>\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n<p><strong>What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know <a href=\"https:\/\/tim.blog\/2024\/05\/08\/matt-pottinger\/#respond\">in the comments<\/a>.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span id=\"more-76821\"\/><\/p>\n<p><strong>Want to hear another episode that examines the intricacies of US-China relations?<\/strong> Listen to <a href=\"https:\/\/tim.blog\/2022\/11\/15\/niall-ferguson\/\">my conversation with <strong>Niall Ferguson<\/strong> here<\/a>, in which we discussed keeping the Cold War II from heating up into World War III, life under fatwa, understanding history to change the world for the better, an appetite for tweed, <a href=\"https:\/\/tim.blog\/2022\/11\/15\/niall-ferguson\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">and much more<\/a>.<\/p>\n<div class=\"podcast-player\">\n<div class=\"podcast-player-inner-wrap\">\n<p>#634: Niall Ferguson, Historian \u2014 The Coming Cold War II, Visible and Invisible Geopolitics, Why Even Atheists Should Study Religion, Masters of Paradox, Fatherhood, Fear, and More<\/p>\n<p><noscript><iframe src=\"https:\/\/www.art19.com\/shows\/58dacbdc-646e-4585-9914-19c3de11d1ba\/episodes\/9a105a8c-29d9-43e1-bea8-56bd44cf0e44\/embed?type=micro\" style=\"width: 100%; height: 30px; border: 0 none;\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/noscript><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Boiling-Moat-Urgent-Defend-Taiwan\/dp\/0817926453\/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>The Boiling Moat: Urgent Steps to Defend Taiwan by Matt Pottinger | Amazon<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.congress.gov\/118\/meeting\/house\/115402\/witnesses\/HHRG-118-ZS00-Wstate-PottingerM-20230228.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Congressional Testimony House Select Committee on the Strategic Competition Between the United States and the Chinese Communist Party | Congress.gov<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov\/briefings-statements\/remarks-deputy-national-security-advisor-matt-pottinger-london-based-policy-exchange\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Remarks by Deputy National Security Advisor Matt Pottinger to London-Based Policy Exchange | The White House<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amnesty.org.uk\/china-1989-tiananmen-square-protests-demonstration-massacre\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">1989 Tiananmen Square Protests | Amnesty International UK<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2022\/11\/21\/world\/asia\/bao-tong-dead.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Bao Tong, 90, Dies; Top Chinese Official Imprisoned After Tiananmen | The New York Times<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Imperial_examination\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Imperial Examination | Wikipedia<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amherst.edu\/academiclife\/departments\/asian\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Asian Languages &amp; Civilizations | Amherst College<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Beowulf-Translation-Commentary-Christopher-Tolkien\/dp\/0544442784\/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Beowulf | Amazon<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/eastasiastudent.net\/china\/mandarin\/gwoyeu-romatzyh\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Gwoyeu Romatzyh \u2014 Better Than Pinyin? | East Asia Student<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Romanization_of_Japanese\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Romanization of Japanese | Wikipedia<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/onepiece.fandom.com\/wiki\/One_Piece_Wiki\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">One Piece Wiki | Fandom<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.investopedia.com\/what-is-tiktok-4588933\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">TikTok: What It Is, How It Works, and Why It\u2019s Popular | Investopedia<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/time.com\/6265651\/tiktok-security-us\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">What to Know About the TikTok Security Concerns | Time<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/technology\/2022\/dec\/22\/tiktok-bytedance-workers-fired-data-access-journalists\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">TikTok Admits Using Its App to Spy on Reporters in Effort to Track Leaks | The Guardian<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/edition.cnn.com\/2023\/11\/09\/china\/china-xi-jinping-world-order-intl-hnk\/index.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">China Has a Sweeping Vision to Reshape the World \u2013 And Countries Are Listening | CNN<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.economist.com\/business\/2022\/01\/15\/tiktok-isnt-silly-its-serious\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">TikTok Isn\u2019t Silly. It\u2019s Serious | The Economist<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.aljazeera.com\/news\/2023\/11\/10\/tiktok-faces-renewed-calls-for-a-ban-amid-pro-hamas-anti-israel-claims\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">TikTok Faces Calls for Ban amid Claims of Anti-Israel \u2018Indoctrination\u2019 | Al Jazeera<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.fdd.org\/events\/2023\/10\/13\/xi-and-bidens-diplomatic-dance-apec-summit-and-the-future-of-us-china-relations\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Xi and Biden\u2019s Diplomatic Dance: APEC Summit and the Future of U.S.-China Relations | FDD<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.reuters.com\/technology\/biden-reiterated-us-concerns-over-tiktok-call-with-xi-white-house-says-2024-04-02\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Biden Reiterated US Concerns over TikTok in Call with XI, White House Says | Reuters<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikiquote.org\/wiki\/Xi_Jinping\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Xi Jinping | Wikiquote<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/People%27s_Daily\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">People\u2019s Daily | Wikipedia<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.taipeitimes.com\/News\/editorials\/archives\/2023\/03\/10\/2003795834\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Wars Are Fought on \u2018Smokeless Battlefields\u2019 | Taipei Times<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.fdd.org\/analysis\/2024\/03\/12\/5-things-to-know-about-bytedance-tiktoks-parent-company\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">5 Things to Know About ByteDance, TikTok\u2019s Parent Company | FDD<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/apnews.com\/general-news-52d3d6d9d57e45f28b301c419899c741\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Australian Security Adviser Told Writer Not to Fly to China | AP News<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\/is-tiktoks-parent-company-an-agent-of-the-chinese-state-in-china-inc-its-a-little-more-complicated-225749\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Is Tiktok\u2019s Parent Company an Agent of the Chinese State? In China Inc., It\u2019s a Little More Complicated | The Conversation<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/thediplomat.com\/2023\/10\/chinese-social-media-platforms-are-now-awash-with-antisemitism\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Chinese Social Media Platforms Are Now Awash with Antisemitism | The Diplomat<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/foreignpolicy.com\/2021\/03\/31\/blinken-uyghur-china-human-rights-report\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Blinken Accuses China of Uyghur Genocide in Xinjiang | FP<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/technology-50559656\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Teen\u2019s TikTok Video about China\u2019s Muslim Camps Goes Viral | BBC News<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Vandenberg_resolution\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Vandenberg rRsolution | Wikipedia<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/technology\/2024\/apr\/23\/senate-passes-bill-banning-tiktok-will-parent-company-sell\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Senate Passes Bill Banning TikTok If Parent Company Does Not Sell It | The Guardian<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.axios.com\/2024\/02\/16\/tiktok-news-gen-z-social-media\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">TikTok Dominates Media Outlets as News Source for Gen Z | Axios<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/slate.com\/technology\/2024\/03\/tiktok-uber-bytedance-lobbying-fans-users-congress.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">TikTok Is Turning Its Users into Lobbyists, Just like Uber Did. | Slate<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.cfr.org\/blog\/why-taiwan-important-united-states\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Why Is Taiwan Important to the United States? | Council on Foreign Relations<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/11b82a88-57ae-44b1-8368-864f42ffac7f\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Why Taiwan Matters to the World | Financial Times<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Greater_East_Asia_Co-Prosperity_Sphere\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere | Wikipedia<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.economist.com\/asia\/2019\/01\/12\/even-as-taiwan-perfects-its-democracy-china-is-sabotaging-it?utm_medium=cpc.adword.pd&amp;utm_source=google&amp;ppccampaignID=18156330227&amp;ppcadID=&amp;utm_campaign=a.22brand_pmax&amp;utm_content=conversion.direct-response.anonymous&amp;gad_source=1&amp;gclid=CjwKCAjwouexBhAuEiwAtW_Zx9QdLcGPBrfJfc9m0B_0yfoYdyAX9Zehx2mF6_BohDOsvWtZ4WTv8xoCHI4QAvD_BwE&amp;gclsrc=aw.ds\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Even as Taiwan Perfects Its Democracy, China Is Sabotaging It | The Economist<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.eiu.com\/n\/campaigns\/democracy-index-2023\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Democracy Index 2023 | Economist Intelligence Unit<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.economist.com\/special-report\/2023\/03\/06\/taiwans-dominance-of-the-chip-industry-makes-it-more-important\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Taiwan\u2019s Dominance of the Chip Industry Makes It More Important | The Economist<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.fpri.org\/article\/2023\/12\/deterrence-and-dissuasion-in-the-taiwan-strait\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Deterrence and Dissuasion in the Taiwan Strait | Foreign Policy Research Institute<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Saving-Private-Ryan-4K-UHD\/dp\/B07RHZ7SFL\/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Saving Private Ryan | Prime Video<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/6e9a0243-87f2-445e-b563-e8f67082b3da\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Taiwan\u2019s Dominance of the Chip Industry Makes It More Important | Financial Times<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/media.defense.gov\/2023\/Apr\/24\/2003205865\/-1\/-1\/1\/07-AMONSON%20&amp;%20EGLI_FEATURE%20IWD.PDF\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The Ambitious Dragon: Beijing\u2019s Calculus for Invading Taiwan by 2030 | Department of Defense<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/world\/2023\/apr\/21\/taiwan-foreign-minister-warns-of-conflict-with-china-in-2027\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Taiwan Foreign Minister Warns of Conflict with China in 2027 | The Guardian<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Forward_Alliance\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Forward Alliance | Wikipedia<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/magazine\/archive\/2024\/06\/china-russia-republican-party-relations\/678271\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Russia and China Are Winning the Propaganda War | The Atlantic<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.barrons.com\/news\/china-says-ally-venezuela-guyana-must-resolve-border-dispute-be6a042e\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">China Says Ally Venezuela, Guyana Must Resolve Border Dispute | Barron\u2019s<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.usip.org\/publications\/2023\/03\/xi-and-putin-flaunt-deepening-ties-flout-us-led-order\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Xi and Putin Flaunt Deepening Ties, Flout the US-led Order | United States Institute of Peace<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Antifragile-Things-That-Disorder-Incerto\/dp\/0812979680\/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Antifragile: Things That Gain from Disorder by Nassim Nicholas Taleb | Amazon<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2023\/02\/07\/technology\/artificial-intelligence-training-deepfake.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The People Onscreen Are Fake. The Disinformation Is Real. | The New York Times<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/uk-66599376\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">\u2018Chinese Spy\u2019 Targeted Thousands over LinkedIn | BBC News<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/selectcommitteeontheccp.house.gov\/media\/press-releases\/select-committee-unveils-ccp-influence-memo-united-front-101\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Select Committee Unveils CCP Influence Memo, \u201cUnited Front 101\u201d | Select Committee on the CCP<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.economist.com\/china\/2024\/03\/26\/what-to-make-of-chinas-massive-cyber-espionage-campaign\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">What to Make of China\u2019s Massive Cyber-Espionage Campaign | The Economist<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/carnegieendowment.org\/2022\/04\/25\/limiting-chinese-influence-operations-pub-86923\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Limiting Chinese Influence Operations \u2013 U.S.-China Technological \u201cDecoupling\u201d: A Strategy and Policy Framework | Carnegie Endowment for International Peace<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2023\/11\/28\/business\/china-money-overseas.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Gold Bars and Tokyo Apartments: How Money Is Flowing Out of China. | The New York Times<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/deepmind.google\/technologies\/alphago\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">AlphaGo | Google DeepMind<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/voicesofdemocracy.umd.edu\/reagan-evil-empire-speech-text\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Reagan, \u201cEvil Empire,\u201d Speech Text | Voices of Democracy<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.wsj.com\/articles\/BL-DISPATCHB-3350\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">How bin Laden Catapulted One Man Into War | WSJ<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">SHOW NOTES<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li>[05:55] Bao Tong\u2019s calligraphy.<\/li>\n<li>[08:20] Matt\u2019s decision to study East Asian languages.<\/li>\n<li>[10:13] Studying with Perry Link and the challenges of learning Chinese.<\/li>\n<li>[12:19] Tips for learning Chinese and other languages.<\/li>\n<li>[17:17] How TikTok has been weaponized by the Chinese Communist Party.<\/li>\n<li>[20:58] The origins of TikTok and its obfuscatory ownership structure.<\/li>\n<li>[26:30] How sowing chaos in the West serves the CCP\u2019s aims.<\/li>\n<li>[31:37] \u201cPolitics stops at the water\u2019s edge.\u201d<\/li>\n<li>[33:11] How should the US rein in TikTok\u2019s influence over its population?<\/li>\n<li>[40:23] The significance of Taiwan geographically, ideologically, and economically.<\/li>\n<li>[49:59] The semiconductor industry in Taiwan and its global importance.<\/li>\n<li>[52:07] Deterring China from attacking or coercing Taiwan.<\/li>\n<li>[58:51] Cultivating social depth in Taiwan.<\/li>\n<li>[1:01:09] Guessing at Xi Jinping\u2019s timeline.<\/li>\n<li>[1:05:33] Demonstrating the will to match the capacity of following through.<\/li>\n<li>[1:07:47] Matt\u2019s top priorities for stemming Chinese ambitions.<\/li>\n<li>[1:10:15] Architects of chaos.<\/li>\n<li>[1:14:21] Staying alert against informational warfare and united front activity.<\/li>\n<li>[1:21:00] Countering China\u2019s influence on its Western-based citizens.<\/li>\n<li>[1:25:05] Checkers vs. Go.<\/li>\n<li>[1:26:56] How can the US reassert its position as a beacon of democracy?<\/li>\n<li>[1:33:05] What prompted Matt to join the Marine Corps at age 32?<\/li>\n<li>[1:38:50] Getting in shape for the occasion.<\/li>\n<li>[1:40:45] Leadership lessons learned.<\/li>\n<li>[1:46:59] <em>The Boiling Moat<\/em>, the importance of public service, and parting thoughts.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">MORE MATT POTTINGER QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW<\/h3>\n<p><strong>\u201cAs a former Marine, Deputy National Security Advisor, I was juggling the most serious national security threats facing the United States. I think TikTok is near the top. Near the top, okay? Think for a moment how preposterous it is that we are in a situation where the main platform is controlled by a hostile totalitarian government. The main platform by which a whole generation of Americans communicate and acquire their news.\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2014\u00a0Matt Pottinger<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u201cWe should be issuing a smartphone to every student who arrives from an authoritarian country in the United States, make it a university program to say, \u2018This is your freedom phone. You can put any apps on here that you want. Don\u2019t put any Chinese apps on here. Don\u2019t put TikTok on here. They\u2019ll see everything. Don\u2019t put WeChat, Weixin\u201d \u2014 the Chinese app which is used also as a surveillance tool \u2014 \u2018Don\u2019t put that on here. Put all your free society things onto this phone and then know that your other one is being monitored by Beijing, by the party.\u2019 So we should be doing much more for the Chinese diaspora that comes here to study. We should be giving them a shot at actually breaking free from this bubble of surveillance and censorship that follows them when they come to the United States. We should be breaking out of that.\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2014\u00a0Matt Pottinger<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u201cVandenberg had a famous line. He said, \u2018Politics stops at the water\u2019s edge.\u2019 It means we can have bitter debates internally between left and right, Democrats, Republicans, independents, Trump, Biden, but when it comes to our national interest, there must be a general consensus that prevails that we are on the same team and that there needs to be some predictability and continuity in our policies.\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2014\u00a0Matt Pottinger<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u201cThe Marine Corps talks a lot about both physical courage but also moral courage. So moral courage is more important. It\u2019s this idea that you will do the right thing when no one\u2019s looking, the idea that you will sacrifice yourself and not your integrity or your honor, but your position, in order to make sure that the right thing gets done, even when it exposes you to ridicule.\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2014\u00a0Matt Pottinger<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u201cPublic service is one of the best mistakes I stumbled into in my life. I joined the Marine Corps at 32, and I wouldn\u2019t trade that experience for anything.\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u2014\u00a0Matt Pottinger<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">PEOPLE MENTIONED<\/h3>\n<p><h3 class=\"jp-relatedposts-headline\"><em>Related and Recommended<\/em><\/h3>\n<\/p>\n<p><em><a href=\"https:\/\/tim.blog\/podcast\"><strong>The Tim Ferriss Show<\/strong><\/a> <\/em><span>is one <\/span>of the most popular podcasts in the world with more than one billion downloads. It has been selected for &#8220;Best of Apple Podcasts&#8221; three times, it is often the #1 interview podcast across all of Apple Podcasts, and it&#8217;s been ranked #1 out of 400,000+ podcasts on many occasions. To listen to any of the past episodes for free, check out <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/tim.blog\/podcast\">this page<\/a><\/strong>.<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hop.clickbank.net\/?affiliate=infohatch&amp;vendor=J1R2C\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-10614 aligncenter\" src=\"http:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px.png\" alt=\"Profit Gen\" width=\"400\" height=\"217\" srcset=\"https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px.png 400w, https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px-300x163.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/a><br \/><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Illustration via 99designs \u201cAs a former Marine, Deputy National Security Advisor, I was juggling the most serious national security threats facing the United States. 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