{"id":8140,"date":"2024-07-12T18:13:56","date_gmt":"2024-07-12T22:13:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/arnold-schwarzenegger-and-ann-miura-ko-754\/"},"modified":"2024-07-12T18:13:56","modified_gmt":"2024-07-12T22:13:56","slug":"arnold-schwarzenegger-and-ann-miura-ko-754","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/arnold-schwarzenegger-and-ann-miura-ko-754\/","title":{"rendered":"Arnold Schwarzenegger and Ann Miura-Ko (#754)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <a href=\"https:\/\/hop.clickbank.net\/?affiliate=infohatch&amp;vendor=J1R2C\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-10614 aligncenter\" src=\"http:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px.png\" alt=\"Profit Gen\" width=\"400\" height=\"217\" srcset=\"https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px.png 400w, https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px-300x163.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/a><br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p>This episode is a two-for-one, and that\u2019s because the podcast recently hit its 10-year anniversary and passed one billion downloads. To celebrate, I\u2019ve curated some of the best of the best\u2014some of my favorites\u2014from more than 700 episodes over the last decade. I could not be more excited. The episode features segments from episode #60\u00a0<strong>\u201c<\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/tim.blog\/2015\/02\/02\/arnold-schwarzenegger\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Arnold Schwarzenegger on Psychological Warfare<\/strong><\/a><strong>\u201c<\/strong>\u00a0and\u00a0#331 \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/tim.blog\/2018\/08\/02\/ann-miura-ko\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Ann Miura-Ko \u2014 The Path from Shyness to World-Class Debater and Investor<\/strong><\/a><strong>.<\/strong>\u201c<\/p>\n<p>Please enjoy!<\/p>\n<p><strong><em><strong><em>Listen to the episode on\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/754-arnold-schwarzenegger-and-ann-miura-ko\/id863897795?i=1000662032124\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Apple Podcasts<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/0WNNhljPNOdjEjNfyj9q87?si=k_2ShI4URa6g4KfhwOOCWg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Spotify<\/a>,\u00a0<a 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Music<\/a>,\u00a0<\/em><\/strong><\/em><\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.audible.com\/podcast\/The-Tim-Ferriss-Show\/B08K58QX5W\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Audible<\/a>, or on your favorite podcast platform<\/em><\/strong><\/em><\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>This episode is brought to you by <a href=\"https:\/\/drinkag1.com\/tim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">AG1<\/a>\u00a0all-in-one nutritional supplement, <a href=\"https:\/\/eightsleep.com\/Tim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Eight Sleep\u2019s Pod 4 Ultra<\/a>\u00a0sleeping solution for dynamic cooling and heating, and <a href=\"https:\/\/shopify.com\/tim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Shopify<\/a>\u00a0global commerce platform, providing tools to start, grow, market, and manage a retail business.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-tim-podcast-link-main podcast-block wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><a class=\"podcast-block__link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/754-arnold-schwarzenegger-and-ann-miura-ko\/id863897795?i=1000662032124\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tim.blog\/wp-content\/themes\/timferriss\/inc\/blocks\/podcast-link\/images\/apple-podcast.png?w=600&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"podcast-block__link-icon\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\"\/><span class=\"podcast-block__link-text-top\">Listen on<\/span><span class=\"podcast-block__link-text\">Apple Podcasts<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"wp-block-tim-podcast-link-main podcast-block wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><a class=\"podcast-block__link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/0WNNhljPNOdjEjNfyj9q87?si=k_2ShI4URa6g4KfhwOOCWg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"167\" height=\"167\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/tim.blog\/wp-content\/themes\/timferriss\/inc\/blocks\/podcast-link\/images\/spotify.svg\" 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src=\"https:\/\/www.art19.com\/shows\/58dacbdc-646e-4585-9914-19c3de11d1ba\/episodes\/e020c807-651e-4f4e-bcea-55b1b6bf82b9\/embed?type=micro\" style=\"width: 100%; height: 30px; border: 0 none;\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/noscript><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>This episode is brought to you by <\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/eightsleep.com\/Tim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Eight Sleep<\/strong><\/a><strong>!<\/strong>  Temperature is one of the main causes of poor sleep, and heat is my personal nemesis. 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Just add it easily onto any bed.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>And now, listeners of <em>The Tim Ferriss Show<\/em> can <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/eightsleep.com\/Tim\" rel=\"noopener\">get $350 off<\/a> of the Pod 4 Ultra for a limited time! <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/eightsleep.com\/Tim\" rel=\"noopener\">Click here to claim this deal and unlock your full potential through optimal sleep<\/a>.<\/strong><\/p>\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n<p><strong>This episode is brought to you by <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/drinkag1.com\/tim\" rel=\"noopener\">AG1<\/a>!<\/strong>\u00a0I get asked all the time, \u201cIf you could use only one supplement, what would it be?\u201d My answer is usually\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/drinkag1.com\/tim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">AG1<\/a>, my all-in-one nutritional insurance. I recommended it in\u00a0<em>The 4-Hour Body<\/em>\u00a0in 2010 and did not get paid to do so. I do my best with nutrient-dense meals, of course, but\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/drinkag1.com\/tim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">AG1<\/a>\u00a0further covers my bases with vitamins, minerals, and whole-food-sourced micronutrients that support gut health and the immune system.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Right now,\u00a0you\u2019ll get a 1-year supply of Vitamin D free with your first subscription purchase<\/strong>\u2014a vital nutrient for a strong immune system and strong bones.\u00a0<strong>Visit\u00a0<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/drinkag1.com\/tim\" rel=\"noopener\">DrinkAG1.com\/Tim<\/a>\u00a0to claim this special offer today and receive your 1-year supply of Vitamin D (and 5 free AG1 travel packs) with your first subscription purchase!\u00a0<\/strong>That\u2019s up to a one-year supply of Vitamin D as added value when you try their delicious and comprehensive daily, foundational nutrition supplement that supports whole-body health. <\/p>\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n<p><strong>This episode is brought to you by\u00a0<\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/shopify.com\/tim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Shopify<\/strong><\/a><strong>!\u00a0<\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/shopify.com\/tim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Shopify<\/a>\u00a0is one of my favorite platforms and one of my favorite companies.\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/shopify.com\/tim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Shopify<\/a>\u00a0is<strong> designed for anyone to sell anywhere<\/strong>, giving entrepreneurs the resources once reserved for big business. In no time flat, you can have a great-looking online store that brings your ideas to life, and you can have the tools to manage your day-to-day and drive sales. No coding or design experience required.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Go to\u00a0<\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/shopify.com\/tim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>shopify.com\/Tim<\/strong><\/a><strong>\u00a0to sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period. It\u2019s a great deal for a great service, so I encourage you to check it out. Take your business to the next level today by visiting\u00a0<\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/shopify.com\/tim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>shopify.com\/Tim<\/strong><\/a><strong>.<\/strong><\/p>\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n<p><strong>What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know <a href=\"https:\/\/tim.blog\/2024\/07\/12\/arnold-schwarzenegger-and-ann-miura-ko\/#respond\">in the comments<\/a>.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span id=\"more-82915\"\/><\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">SHOW NOTES<\/h3>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>[04:08] Notes about this supercombo format.<\/li>\n<li>[05:11] <strong>Enter Arnold Schwarzenegger.<\/strong><\/li>\n<li>[05:45] Where did Arnold develop his cast iron confidence?<\/li>\n<li>[09:15] Mastering the psychological warfare of bodybuilding.<\/li>\n<li>[13:58] Transferring this skill set to Hollywood.<\/li>\n<li>[17:13] On making millions before becoming a movie star.<\/li>\n<li>[19:48] Playing good bricklayer\/bad bricklayer with Franco Columbu.<\/li>\n<li>[24:41] How <em>Twins<\/em> came together.<\/li>\n<li>[29:14] Meditation as one of many answers.<\/li>\n<li>[35:47] <strong>Enter Ann-Miura Ko.<\/strong><\/li>\n<li>[36:14] Ann\u2019s childhood shyness.<\/li>\n<li>[38:14] The Japanese phrase Ann used as a hostile kid in Michigan.<\/li>\n<li>[40:20] How Ann overcame introversion.<\/li>\n<li>[43:13] Ann\u2019s first solo stage speech.<\/li>\n<li>[44:22] Why Ann continued with speech and debate.<\/li>\n<li>[45:17] Ann\u2019s love for competition.<\/li>\n<li>[46:54] Ann\u2019s extreme efforts for pizza.<\/li>\n<li>[48:57] The catalyst for Ann\u2019s debate improvement.<\/li>\n<li>[53:01] Debate competition format.<\/li>\n<li>[56:56] Ann\u2019s recommended resources for improving debate skills.<\/li>\n<li>[59:56] Observations on modern debate in politics and family.<\/li>\n<li>[1:02:01] The most important lesson from Ann\u2019s debating years.<\/li>\n<li>[1:04:50] Differences between debate and negotiation.<\/li>\n<li>[1:06:53] Ann\u2019s father\u2019s journey to America and favorite phrase.<\/li>\n<li>[1:10:29] Ann\u2019s world-class effort in menial job tasks.<\/li>\n<li>[1:13:15] How a Yale tour led to shadowing a CEO.<\/li>\n<li>[1:18:36] Ann\u2019s first job experience.<\/li>\n<li>[1:20:20] Ann\u2019s favorite office supplies.<\/li>\n<li>[1:21:32] Ann\u2019s cherished personal artifacts.<\/li>\n<li>[1:23:06] Ann\u2019s experience teaching Mayfield Fellows at Stanford.<\/li>\n<li>[1:24:42] A reading list and plans for Ann\u2019s Stanford startup class.<\/li>\n<li>[1:28:05] Spotting artificial inflation in startup valuations.<\/li>\n<li>[1:31:29] Why Ann changed her career path from medicine.<\/li>\n<li>[1:34:45] What Ann knew about herself that her parents and test scores didn\u2019t.<\/li>\n<li>[1:38:55] Ann\u2019s entry into venture capital and startup investing.<\/li>\n<li>[1:39:29] An encounter with Steve Jobs.<\/li>\n<li>[1:40:40] A job offer based on shared interests.<\/li>\n<li>[1:44:40] Ann\u2019s experience at CRV during 9\/11.<\/li>\n<li>[1:47:55] The most expensive words in investing.<\/li>\n<li>[1:48:16] First principles thinking and common leadership decisions.<\/li>\n<li>[1:50:52] Winning strategy vs. strategy not to lose.<\/li>\n<li>[1:51:59] Manifestations of hedging as a defensive strategy.<\/li>\n<li>[1:53:46] The importance of focusing on your own race.<\/li>\n<li>[1:55:47] A need for aggressiveness to win.<\/li>\n<li>[1:56:38] How Ann met Mike Maples, Jr.<\/li>\n<li>[1:59:26] Ann\u2019s PhD plans and shift to working with Mike.<\/li>\n<li>[2:02:12] Ann\u2019s reaction to Mike\u2019s unusual proposition.<\/li>\n<li>[2:06:40] Ann\u2019s hectic first year at Floodgate.<\/li>\n<li>[2:08:41] Ann\u2019s real first name.<\/li>\n<li>[2:09:21] Ann\u2019s struggles and coping mechanisms.<\/li>\n<li>[2:14:56] Ann\u2019s superpowers.<\/li>\n<li>[2:18:44] Thunder lizards and Ann\u2019s pursuit of them.<\/li>\n<li>[2:20:20] Ann\u2019s view on AI and machine learning\u2019s impact.<\/li>\n<li>[2:23:11] Philosophy exercises and real-world applications.<\/li>\n<li>[2:24:50] Aligning collective and self-interests in problem-solving.<\/li>\n<li>[2:27:08] Books Ann has gifted or reread most.<\/li>\n<li>[2:29:09] A recent, game-changing purchase under $100.<\/li>\n<li>[2:30:28] Ann\u2019s billboard.<\/li>\n<li>[2:31:19] The meaning of Ann\u2019s Japanese name characters.<\/li>\n<li>[2:32:19] Ann\u2019s online presence and Floodgate\u2019s name origin.<\/li>\n<li>[2:34:58] Parting thoughts.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE<\/h3>\n<p><strong>Connect with\u00a0Arnold Schwarzenegger:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/beusefulbook.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/schwarzenegger\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Twitter<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/schwarzenegger\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Instagram<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/arnold\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Facebook<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/GovSchwarzenegger\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">YouTube<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Connect with\u00a0Ann Miura-Ko:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/floodgate.com\/ann-miura-ko\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Floodgate<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/annimaniac\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Twitter<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/amiura\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Instagram<\/a><\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">PEOPLE MENTIONED<\/h3>\n<p><h3 class=\"jp-relatedposts-headline\"><em>Related<\/em><\/h3>\n<\/p>\n<p><em><a href=\"https:\/\/tim.blog\/podcast\"><strong>The Tim Ferriss Show<\/strong><\/a> <\/em><span>is one <\/span>of the most popular podcasts in the world with more than one billion downloads. It has been selected for &#8220;Best of Apple Podcasts&#8221; three times, it is often the #1 interview podcast across all of Apple Podcasts, and it&#8217;s been ranked #1 out of 400,000+ podcasts on many occasions. To listen to any of the past episodes for free, check out <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/tim.blog\/podcast\">this page<\/a><\/strong>.<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><script async defer src=\"https:\/\/platform.instagram.com\/en_US\/embeds.js\"><\/script><br \/>\n<br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/hop.clickbank.net\/?affiliate=infohatch&amp;vendor=J1R2C\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-10614 aligncenter\" src=\"http:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px.png\" alt=\"Profit Gen\" width=\"400\" height=\"217\" srcset=\"https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px.png 400w, https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px-300x163.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/a><br \/><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This episode is a two-for-one, and that\u2019s because the podcast recently hit its 10-year anniversary and passed one billion downloads. 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