{"id":8212,"date":"2024-07-20T18:24:13","date_gmt":"2024-07-20T22:24:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/anne-lamott-and-josh-waitzkin-756\/"},"modified":"2024-07-20T18:24:13","modified_gmt":"2024-07-20T22:24:13","slug":"anne-lamott-and-josh-waitzkin-756","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/anne-lamott-and-josh-waitzkin-756\/","title":{"rendered":"Anne Lamott and Josh Waitzkin (#756)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <a href=\"https:\/\/hop.clickbank.net\/?affiliate=infohatch&amp;vendor=J1R2C\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-10614 aligncenter\" src=\"http:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px.png\" alt=\"Profit Gen\" width=\"400\" height=\"217\" srcset=\"https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px.png 400w, https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px-300x163.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/a><br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"600\" height=\"338\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tim.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Anne-Lamott-and-Josh-Waitzkin.jpg?resize=600%2C338&amp;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-88804\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tim.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Anne-Lamott-and-Josh-Waitzkin.jpg?resize=1024%2C576&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tim.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Anne-Lamott-and-Josh-Waitzkin.jpg?resize=300%2C169&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tim.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Anne-Lamott-and-Josh-Waitzkin.jpg?resize=768%2C432&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tim.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Anne-Lamott-and-Josh-Waitzkin.jpg?resize=1536%2C864&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tim.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Anne-Lamott-and-Josh-Waitzkin.jpg?w=1920&amp;ssl=1 1920w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tim.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Anne-Lamott-and-Josh-Waitzkin.jpg?w=1200&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tim.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/Anne-Lamott-and-Josh-Waitzkin.jpg?w=1800&amp;ssl=1 1800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 90vw, 600px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\"\/><\/figure>\n<p>This episode is a two-for-one, and that\u2019s because the podcast recently hit its 10-year anniversary and passed one billion downloads. To celebrate, I\u2019ve curated some of the best of the best\u2014some of my favorites\u2014from more than 700 episodes over the last decade. I could not be more excited. The episode features segments from episode #522 \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/tim.blog\/2021\/07\/09\/anne-lamott\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Anne Lamott on Taming Your Inner Critic, Finding Grace, and Prayer<\/strong><\/a>\u201d and\u00a0#148: \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/tim.blog\/2016\/03\/23\/josh-waitzkin-the-prodigy-returns\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Josh Waitzkin, The Prodigy Returns<\/strong><\/a>\u201c<\/p>\n<p>Please enjoy!<\/p>\n<p><strong><em><strong><em>Listen to the episode on\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/756-anne-lamott-and-josh-waitzkin\/id863897795?i=1000662749076\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Apple Podcasts<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/3R0bsFIEmlBzHmGQJ1oQNU?si=QV7YueBrSciyzMZRTfo2aw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Spotify<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/overcast.fm\/itunes863897795\/the-tim-ferriss-show\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Overcast<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/podcastaddict.com\/podcast\/2031148#\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Podcast Addict<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/pca.st\/timferriss\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Pocket Casts<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/castbox.fm\/channel\/id1059468?country=us\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Castbox<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/rUEPE05VYwA?si=GzCEAcph62vdZYMb\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">YouTube<\/a>,\u00a0<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/music.youtube.com\/playlist?list=PLuu6fDad2eJyWPm9dQfuorm2uuYHBZDCB\" rel=\"noopener\">YouTube Music<\/a>,\u00a0<strong><em><strong><em><a href=\"https:\/\/music.amazon.com\/podcasts\/9814f3cc-1dc5-4003-b816-44a8eb6bf666\/the-tim-ferriss-show\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Amazon Music<\/a>,\u00a0<\/em><\/strong><\/em><\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.audible.com\/podcast\/The-Tim-Ferriss-Show\/B08K58QX5W\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Audible<\/a>, or on your favorite podcast platform<\/em><\/strong><\/em><\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>This episode is brought to you by <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/livemomentous.com\/tim\" rel=\"noopener\">Momentous<\/a>\u00a0high-quality supplements, <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/helixsleep.com\/tim\" rel=\"noopener\">Helix Sleep<\/a>\u00a0premium mattresses, and <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/shopify.com\/tim\" rel=\"noopener\">Shopify<\/a>\u00a0global commerce platform, providing tools to start, grow, market, and manage a retail business <\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-tim-podcast-link-main podcast-block wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><a class=\"podcast-block__link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/756-anne-lamott-and-josh-waitzkin\/id863897795?i=1000662749076\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/tim.blog\/wp-content\/themes\/timferriss\/inc\/blocks\/podcast-link\/images\/apple-podcast.png?w=600&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"podcast-block__link-icon\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\"\/><span class=\"podcast-block__link-text-top\">Listen on<\/span><span class=\"podcast-block__link-text\">Apple Podcasts<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"wp-block-tim-podcast-link-main podcast-block wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><a class=\"podcast-block__link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/3R0bsFIEmlBzHmGQJ1oQNU?si=QV7YueBrSciyzMZRTfo2aw\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"167\" height=\"167\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/tim.blog\/wp-content\/themes\/timferriss\/inc\/blocks\/podcast-link\/images\/spotify.svg\" class=\"podcast-block__link-icon\"\/><span class=\"podcast-block__link-text-top\">Listen on<\/span><span class=\"podcast-block__link-text\">Spotify<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"wp-block-tim-podcast-link-main podcast-block wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><a class=\"podcast-block__link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/overcast.fm\/itunes863897795\/the-tim-ferriss-show\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1000\" height=\"1000\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/tim.blog\/wp-content\/themes\/timferriss\/inc\/blocks\/podcast-link\/images\/overcast.svg\" class=\"podcast-block__link-icon\"\/><span class=\"podcast-block__link-text-top\">Listen on<\/span><span class=\"podcast-block__link-text\">Overcast<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"podcast-player\">\n<div class=\"podcast-player-inner-wrap\">\n<p>#756: Anne Lamott and Josh Waitzkin<\/p>\n<p><noscript><iframe src=\"https:\/\/www.art19.com\/shows\/58dacbdc-646e-4585-9914-19c3de11d1ba\/episodes\/8bbe0cd4-4fd4-4c55-b7e6-4bff70ceb657\/embed?type=micro\" style=\"width: 100%; 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With\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/helixsleep.com\/tim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Helix<\/a>, there\u2019s a specific mattress to meet each and every body\u2019s unique comfort needs. Just take their quiz\u2014<a href=\"http:\/\/helixsleep.com\/tim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">only two minutes to complete<\/a>\u2014that matches your body type and sleep preferences to the perfect mattress for you. They have a 10-year warranty, and you get to try it out for a hundred nights, risk-free. They\u2019ll even pick it up from you if you don\u2019t love it.\u00a0<strong>And now, Helix is offering 25\u201330% off all mattress orders plus two free pillows at\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/helixsleep.com\/tim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">HelixSleep.com\/Tim<\/a>.<\/strong><\/p>\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n<p><strong>This episode is brought to you by\u00a0<\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/livemomentous.com\/Tim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Momentous<\/strong><\/a><strong>\u00a0high-quality supplements!\u00a0<\/strong>Momentous offers high-quality supplements and products across a broad spectrum of categories, and I\u2019ve been testing their products for months now. I\u2019ve been using their\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.livemomentous.com\/pages\/tim-ferriss#section-tims-favorite-products\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">magnesium threonate<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.livemomentous.com\/pages\/tim-ferriss#section-tims-favorite-products\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">apigenin<\/a>, and\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.livemomentous.com\/pages\/tim-ferriss#section-tims-favorite-products\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">L-theanine<\/a>\u00a0daily, all of which have helped me improve the onset, quality, and duration of my sleep. I\u2019ve also been using\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.livemomentous.com\/pages\/tim-ferriss#section-tims-favorite-products\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Momentous creatine<\/a>, and while it certainly helps physical performance, including poundage or wattage in sports, I use it primarily for mental performance (short-term memory, etc.).<\/p>\n<p>Their products are third-party tested (Informed-Sport and\/or NSF certified), so you can trust that what is on the label is in the bottle and nothing else.\u00a0<strong>If you want to try Momentous for yourself, you can use code Tim for 20% off your one-time purchase at\u00a0<\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/livemomentous.com\/Tim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>LiveMomentous.com\/Tim<\/strong><\/a><strong>.\u00a0<\/strong>And not to worry, my non-US friends, Momentous ships internationally and has you covered.\u00a0<\/p>\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n<p><strong>This episode is brought to you by\u00a0<\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/shopify.com\/tim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Shopify<\/strong><\/a><strong>!\u00a0<\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/shopify.com\/tim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Shopify<\/a>\u00a0is one of my favorite platforms and one of my favorite companies.\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/shopify.com\/tim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Shopify<\/a>\u00a0is<strong> designed for anyone to sell anywhere<\/strong>, giving entrepreneurs the resources once reserved for big business. In no time flat, you can have a great-looking online store that brings your ideas to life, and you can have the tools to manage your day-to-day and drive sales. No coding or design experience required.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Go to\u00a0<\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/shopify.com\/tim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>shopify.com\/Tim<\/strong><\/a><strong>\u00a0to sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period. It\u2019s a great deal for a great service, so I encourage you to check it out. Take your business to the next level today by visiting\u00a0<\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/shopify.com\/tim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>shopify.com\/Tim<\/strong><\/a><strong>.<\/strong><\/p>\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n<p><strong>What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know <a href=\"https:\/\/tim.blog\/2024\/07\/19\/anne-lamott-and-josh-waitzkin\/#respond\">in the comments<\/a>.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span id=\"more-88799\"\/><\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">SHOW NOTES<\/h3>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>[04:49] Notes about this supercombo format.<\/li>\n<li>[05:51] <strong>Enter Anne Lamott.<\/strong><\/li>\n<li>[06:21] What is it about <em>Bird by Bird<\/em> that has affected so many people so deeply?<\/li>\n<li>[07:18] Where the title of <em>Bird by Bird<\/em> originated.<\/li>\n<li>[09:40] How Neal Allen helps people tame (but not discard) their inner critic.<\/li>\n<li>[10:45] Who controls the dial when you\u2019re tuned in to KFKD radio?<\/li>\n<li>[11:51] How Anne recommends I pursue my fiction writing aspirations.<\/li>\n<li>[12:37] The pros and cons of Anne\u2019s upbringing.<\/li>\n<li>[19:08] What does being \u201cspiritually fit\u201d mean to Anne?<\/li>\n<li>[24:40] How radical self-care became an imperative for Anne.<\/li>\n<li>[32:25] The dark night that turned Anne\u2019s son Sam\u2019s life around.<\/li>\n<li>[38:10] <strong>Enter Josh Waitzkin.<\/strong><\/li>\n<li>[38:43] On <em>Dreaming Yourself Awake<\/em> by B. Alan Wallace and Brian Hodel.<\/li>\n<li>[39:58] Casual exercise.<\/li>\n<li>[40:52] Josh\u2019s terrifying experience with the Wim Hof method.<\/li>\n<li>[45:52] How Josh uses \u201cflow\u201d as therapy.<\/li>\n<li>[48:19] Initiating a flow state.<\/li>\n<li>[50:45] Cognitive biases and armchair professors.<\/li>\n<li>[55:07] Developing high-level sensitivity and listening to your senses.<\/li>\n<li>[57:53] Strategies for on-boarding newcomers to mindfulness training.<\/li>\n<li>[1:02:40] Paddlesurfers in peril.<\/li>\n<li>[1:03:36] Embracing the funk.<\/li>\n<li>[1:06:03] On parenting.<\/li>\n<li>[1:15:07] Fixed perspectives and growth mindsets.<\/li>\n<li>[1:17:34] On training somatic sensitivity.<\/li>\n<li>[1:22:06] On mitigating the dangers of a fixed identity.<\/li>\n<li>[1:24:32] Marcelo Garcia and the principle of cultivating quality as a way of life.<\/li>\n<li>[1:30:19] Quality and presence in parenthood.<\/li>\n<li>[1:33:42] The fire-walking process.<\/li>\n<li>[1:40:11] Translating techniques learned from martial arts to less obvious activities (like investing).<\/li>\n<li>[1:42:19] Building slack into the system.<\/li>\n<li>[1:46:17] Scarcity in the learning process.<\/li>\n<li>[1:54:27] Josh\u2019s daily journaling process.<\/li>\n<li>[1:56:25] Thematic interconnectedness in the context of education.<\/li>\n<li>[2:04:08] The Art of Learning Project.<\/li>\n<li>[2:05:59] Parting thoughts.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE<\/h3>\n<p><strong>Connect with\u00a0Anne Lamott:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/AnneLamott\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Twitter<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/AnneLamott\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Facebook<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/AnneLamott\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Instagram<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Connect with\u00a0Josh Waitzkin:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.joshwaitzkin.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Website<\/a>\u00a0|\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/theartoflearningproject.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The Art of Learning Project<\/a><\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">PEOPLE MENTIONED<\/h3>\n<p><h3 class=\"jp-relatedposts-headline\"><em>Related<\/em><\/h3>\n<\/p>\n<p><em><a href=\"https:\/\/tim.blog\/podcast\"><strong>The Tim Ferriss Show<\/strong><\/a> <\/em><span>is one <\/span>of the most popular podcasts in the world with more than one billion downloads. It has been selected for &#8220;Best of Apple Podcasts&#8221; three times, it is often the #1 interview podcast across all of Apple Podcasts, and it&#8217;s been ranked #1 out of 400,000+ podcasts on many occasions. To listen to any of the past episodes for free, check out <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/tim.blog\/podcast\">this page<\/a><\/strong>.<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><script async defer src=\"https:\/\/platform.instagram.com\/en_US\/embeds.js\"><\/script><br \/>\n<br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/hop.clickbank.net\/?affiliate=infohatch&amp;vendor=J1R2C\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-10614 aligncenter\" src=\"http:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px.png\" alt=\"Profit Gen\" width=\"400\" height=\"217\" srcset=\"https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px.png 400w, https:\/\/parmaks.com\/Resources\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/profit-gen400px-300x163.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/a><br \/><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This episode is a two-for-one, and that\u2019s because the podcast recently hit its 10-year anniversary and passed one billion downloads. 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